The Pandora's Box Pass In The Two Copies of Ourselves

Look, Tensegrity is not “weird chi gung”.

In fact, chi doesn’t exist. Way back in the olden Chinese days (a short 2000 or less years ago), they had junk Chinese science.

They still have that! Lazy westerners go to “Chinese Medicine School”, because it’s cheaper and faster than actually getting a medical degree.

And they want the degree, not the knowledge.

The insurance companies go along with it, because a western bad player type with a degree in “Chinese Medicine” is a lot cheaper than a real doctor.

And it has a very high “placebo effect” benefit. It seems to work!

But it’s crackpot science.

So if you go back to the start of Acupuncture, they seemed to believe they were “venting” the air from your veins, to reduce pressures.

It was air (chi). Thus the needles to let out some pressure.

Naturally that’s ludicrous, but that didn’t stop the Chinese quacks.

As it became obvious that was nonsense, they just turned into into some mysterious energy. And made up stories about how it was discovered.

People wounded by a spear would recover from childhood illnesses.

Or a mysterious Daoist could “see the acupuncture points”.

They had all kinds of tales, to keep their junk medical practice going.

Sure, you can’t prove the “mysterious Chi” is there.

But you can FEEL it.

And from that, “Chi Gung” was born.

It was taken up by old people to do in the morning, because when you are very old you wake up early and have the whole town to yourself. The young people have jobs, so they sleep in as late as possible, then get ready to go to work.

But the old chinese people have nothing to do, so they go to the corner parks all over Beijing, and do “Chi Gung”. And Tai Chi too.

There are a lot of videos on youtube showing this, if you can manage to google in Mandarin. You can also see how silly Daoism really is, in its native land.

Chi Gung is basically a joke among the Chinese. A morning “talk show” topic, for when they have nothing else.

Cholita once posed as a “Sex Tarot Card” reader on a very popular spanish language talk show. I wish I could get a copy!

I asked her, “Do you know anything about Sex Tarot?”

She laughed and said, “I didn’t need to. They did all the talking. I was just there for the men to look at.”

Really, in China they do the “Chi Gung Exercises”, which at 80 years old is enough of a “workout”, then they sit on picnic tables in the park, talk about grandchildren, and granny sees if she can get that old chi gung guy to take her somewhere for “more intimate practice”.

I’ve spent quite a bit of time in Chinese countries. I have an office in Taipei.

Those old Chinese Grannies have even tried to seduce me!

And at my current age, I can see why the old men go for it on occasion.

Any Chinese knows that about Chi gung.

Even the Swedish know it!

Ikea has a problem with old chinese people hanging out where they sell meatballs in their stores in Chinese countries, trying to hook up all day.

But westerners are naive about the nonsense of Asian Mysticism.

Instead of understanding it the way the Chinese do, as customs and rituals intended to be fun, perhaps a lot like our Halloween and Easter Bunny, westerners fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

They chomp down the Asian crapmagic, hoping to get their own “Franchise” and wear the Shaolin monk robes and shiny wooden beads themselves.

So they can suck up attention.

But with no actual magic, they have to pretend the results. So they return to the bad science idea of “chi energy”, and say they can feel it.

An easy way to declare victory, and move one notch closer to your own franchise.

Now don’t get me wrong. Chi Gung and KungFu, can be “fixed”.

That’s my sincere hope. I spent 10 years trying to interest any actual Chinese.

And learned it just can’t be fixed without a bunch of crying baby chinese “Masters” having tantrums.

I wish some MMA guy could just go punch them in the nose, the way they did with the Wing Chun master of all of China.

He was a “national treasure”. Peerless! Undefeatable!!!

But he was getting senile and believed his own make believe, and fell for how his students let him toss them around because they all had franchise hopes of their own.

So he challenged a middle of the road MMA fighter.

Who kicked his “master” butt in seconds.

China punished the MMA fighter severely, so he got revenge by going around beating up other Chinese “masters”.

You can find that on Youtube. If you believe in Chinese mysticism, you might want to see it with your own eyes.

It’s all crap.

But it COULD be fixed. I hope some of you do someday.

This picture shows you what “Olmec Chi Gung” looks like.

It’s the real thing.

Real magic.

They didn’t have money yet. They didn’t have agriculture. It was 10,000 years ago!

If you needed food, you went outside into the jungle and got some.

There was no possible motivation to make up stuff. What they created for their sorcery was the real thing. It was based on what works, and not on what can fool lazy people on ego trips into paying for instruction.

Anyone who can’t tell the difference will fail in this subreddit.

Not because of anything you might think. It’s not because we are “prejudiced”, or “Only believe in what we do”.

Not at all! Myself, I’d LOVE to see some actual magic elsewhere.

Then I could try to figure out where it came from. Long ago.

According to my spirit “Mystery”, there were originally perhaps 8 “strains” of real magic, back before humans learned speech. When the entire earth population numbered well under 1 million.

We have one strain from back then.

But the rest seem to be lost. The North African variety became the crap magic of the middle east, and asia. Diluted by religion and greed.

If we could find the “other strains”, it would be a great thing!

I’ll name them. Olmec (Proto-siberian), North African, and Islander.

What else, we haven’t figured out yet.

In fact, we aren’t “jealous” of other magical systems.

I say you will fail if you believe those, because I’ve seen it over and over again over the last 25 years. So many “students”, and not one single success.

It’s because because what we do is SO MUCH WORK, that there are even “Buddhist masters” on youtube saying it’s impossible.

Saying, “no one can do that”.

No one can remove their internal dialogue.

And a few westernized “Zen Masters” saying it’s possible, but since they have no impressive magic, one wonders if they even did it themselves.

The same was told to me by Chakrapani, the famous Los Angeles Ayurvedic fortune teller. He told me back in the early 80s.

He was so beloved, he even has his own dot com now. Though he’s long dead, and left us before the internet even rose.

I asked him why all the meditation and chanting in Hinduism?

Why not just shut off your internal dialogue, and skip to the good stuff?

He agreed, that would do it. Then he looked me in the eyes and said very sincerely, as if he were worried I was going astray with my Castaneda delusions, “Because no man can do that!”

He was wrong.

It’s just VERY difficult.

And so if you have franchise aspirations for Chinese crap magic, I’m afraid you will fail in this subreddit.

Once you figure out it actually takes work to learn real magic, you have to decide if you really wanted REAL magic.

Or if the pretend kind gets you want you wanted.

A franchise.

And anyone who believes in fake magic, will go get the fake magic franchise when they realize how hard internal silence is.

It’s so much easier to just pretend.

We have no franchises to offer in here. Just magic.

This picture shows a higher step in learning magic. The benefits of getting rid of rationality, once you can move your assemblage point all the way to the deep orange zone on the J curve.

It’s not obvious at first, because you get to see plenty of “the real thing”. Those are the pictures on the left.

But once you can manifest zombie assistants, you could try out the “irrational” version of this pass.

It’s far more stunning.

It also allows a smooth transition from dreaming awake, to dreaming asleep.

But while awake.

Which removes the laws of physics entirely, from your darkroom practice.


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understanding it the way the Chinese do, as customs and rituals intended to be fun, perhaps a lot like our Halloween and Easter Bunny,

Perhaps looking at it as a form of cultural aerobics, with orange robes instead of short-shorts and sweatbands, would be more apropos.

Regardless, it doesn’t produce visible :sparkles: on it’s own; which is the intent of Tensegrity. Or guide the assemblage point the more it is done.

If anything out of the ordinary did happen with Qigong, it would be in spite of it and not because of it…the double being drawn by the visually appealing movement.

The movements themselves don’t invoke anything beyond increased circulation: joint, ligament, lung, and endocrine (lymph node) health for the physical body.

When combined with stretching, weightlifting, and more intense cardiovascular activity.

On their own Qigong and Tai Chi aren’t very comprehensive, unless you’re disabled and it’s all you can physically do.

When Bodhidharma, the creator of both Qigong and Tai Chi, saw that the monks in the monastery he had settled in were physically fragile and undisciplined he knew he had to do something to encourage them to work their bodies.

Nothing in their scriptures said much about conditioning the body being at all important, so their bodies had become an anchor to their spiritual progress (such as it was being locked into Buddhism).

It’s likely he simply need to get them off their asses with something visually alluring, but still anatomically functional, to balance out the negative affects of prolonged seated meditation.

In the centuries that followed others co-opted those original movements for their own ends.

Then it got book dealed, over and over.

With abundant franchises in the west.

We gave them Kentucky Fried Chicken.

They gave us Tai Chi and Qigong.

All of which make you fat in their own way.

Speaking as an outsider, you folks really harm your credibility with the whole “only Carlos had the truth and all other spiritual/religious practices throughout the world are false” thing.

If you look in our Wiki’s introduction section, you’ll see it mentioned that “too weak to be interesting long-term” is more accurate than false.

But false it so much quicker to type/say

Here’s a related comment from chat, about another users chi experience:

"I don’t doubt that everything said about it is deceptive or outright bullshit, but it is perceptible. Anyone could do some simple exercises and feel something radiating from their hands.

I suppose when I See I will know what it is for sure, but for now it’s definitely there.

Like a magnetic field from my hands. I can feel it in both hands when I place them about 12” apart. If I do the old energy practices that I used to do, it makes it stronger and I can feel it from further away.

Not trying to add bullshit to the conversation, but this is something that lots of people experience for real I’m sure, so wtf is it then?"

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Any physical movement when repeated often enough has neurological affects. Sensations which could lead one to assume something mystical may be occuring, if you were already primed to do so by reading/hearing something/someone suggesting so.

But if you don’t see it (or perceive it with multiple senses) in spite of yourself, repeatedly, or are never surprised or taken aback by it…then it can’t be taken as definitively existing outside of your imagination. Which is what we are seeking in here.

Why would we care about our credibility over magic, unless we were in it for money.

Like everything you mentioned when you said “spiritual/religious practices”.

All in it for the money.

We aren’t. We MUCH prefer people who are offended to go away. They never learn.

So you don’t want magic.

Just go away.

But first read the pinned post, explaining the reason this subreddit exists.

THEN go away.

“Fairness” and “Having an open mind” is what rid the world of real magic.

Real magic is very precise, and doesn’t allow for everyone’s opinion to be treated fairly.

I hear the Jesus freaks are hiring…

No we don’t harm anyone infact. For instance temples and churches are doing hell knows what to children.

It even explains why the religious kids seem so traumatized.

No normal person would “chose” religion. They have to be forced into it by their parents.

As for all the fake stuff out there, the reason i would guess dan is argumenting against them is so people find the part of themselves that is so eager to defend those sects, because that part of yourself will hold you back on learning sorcery.

Sorcerers are free, not part of some bs sect/religion/cult/ blah blah. The only reason the linkages existed where to let the knowledge be passed on in its entirety, because sorcerers knew that this is the most precious pice of knowledge available.

Partially lying is still lying. Sorcery we got from before society is the only one that didn’t have to lie about a single thing. Do you really think that doesn’t matter?

I don’t believe one would actually defend outside stuff if they got to experience a fraction of what is possible by following this path. Its impossible.

If you really want to make such a comparison, I’ll take the thousands of years old lifeblood of a civilization over the teachings of a man who died miserably of liver failure (I thought the practices were supposed to make him immortal?)

But I’m not here to compare, I’m here to learn what every perspective has to offer.

I’m not offended, I’m here to be fair and have an open mind to you. And see if you have anything to offer.

Why don’t you answer me this? If your techniques work then why did your founder die miserably from cancer? And if Daoism is fake, why does it live for thousands of years? Don’t tell me it was thousands of years of scamming people for money.

Sounds a lot like what someone would say arguing for one cult over another.

So you admire social credibility. That’s a spear to the heart (or liver) of your chances at anything existing outside of the social order.

Carlos got ill because he invested too much of himself into instructing people who didn’t take him seriously, or stick to much of anything he presented on a daily basis.

They took, and never gave enough of a damn to reciprocate their own time.

And then some of those very people had the gall to write exposés on how Carlos was a failure, because they expected him to bestow all the powers of the universe upon them.

They were the wrong people at the wrong time.

But Carlos knew that, and did it anyway. Because it was never about him, or about his success.

But about having an indelible, accessible (and public) record for the future.

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Said nothing about social credibility. Otherwise I wouldn’t be here talking to you folks. I’m talking about whether a teaching makes its followers live or die. That’s the ultimate barometer of truth.

We need to come up with a better way to tell people to “put your money where your mouth is”.

In this case, I’d ask the guy to show us a link to somewhere that has real magic.

Naturally, he can’t.

I wish he could.

But we had one bad player come in here and point to a smiling western “guru” type, pretending to be wise, and in total bliss.

Who had a few “testimonials” of his telepathic abilities.

Just a few people saying he knew about them, when it wasn’t possible.

You get those for every crummy religious con artist around.

It flatters the people who got to see his “gifts”.

So you can’t just ask for some web page that explains why they believe there is, because one of the problems with “spiritual” people is, they really aren’t.

They’re in it for attention, and they’ll flatter themselves by pretending anything they might be able to manage, like being the “smiling happy guru”, is magic.

You kind of have to “pin them down” with rules, and we don’t have any good ones.

I suppose they’d e something like,

1 Show me real magic on a web page, ANYWHERE

2 It must be learnable by others, and there needs to be a viewable record of the people actually learning it, and doing magic themselves

3 There must be some information that allows you to understand how this magic is working, so you can check out where it came from, and also if its something you could learn and figure out and do yourself.

Would that prevent the smug presentation of phony Guru stories?

We get those from time to time.

I don’t think so. But if we had a good set of rules, we could just tell people like this guy,

“Show me.”

Because they can’t.

I’ll be happy if anyone ever does. There are 6 lost strains of ancient magic out there, according to my entity “Mystery”.

We don’t know.

He wasn’t claiming to be Jesus.

In his books he’s known as “The Nagual who got sick”.

What, are you looking for people to idolize, or magic?

Or are you a Kachora zombee? We get those.

Daoism has a very bad history, you seem unaware of it.

And you also seem not to know much about Asia.

If there was any possibility you’d ever learn (there isn’t), I’d go find some youtube videos of what Daoism is in Asia.

But you’re hopeless.

And the only benefit anyone in here gets in trying to help others, is if they actually learn.

You won’t.

Again, you aren’t looking for magic. You’re looking for father figures, a good franchise opportunity, a saint to worship.

How the heck did you end up here? I’d like to make sure not to promote that source of new people.

I had a really crummy job when I was 18.

The guy was a total asshole.

But, he had a job, it paid, and I kind of liked what he manufactured.

So I kept the job.

You seem to be on some fantasy trip, and “the thing itself” is not at all what you are after.

If your teachings were true, wouldn’t he have at least saved himself? Or ascended into a ball of light? Or been reborn after 3 days? Anything other than dying like a regular 70 something year old man who drank too much.

We usually learn more from our failures than our successes. And when status isn’t of concern, we can actually benefit from that rather than be dragged down into the River of Filth (or shit).

Carlos freely stated that he wasn’t on par with don Juan, and likely couldn’t exit this sphere the way he did.

Sounds a lot like projection to me.