Curious if this happens to others.
I have been dreaming of parts of darkroom exercises, while asleep completely. Not lucid.
this last one, I looked down and saw a big ol blob of purple stuck to my right hand and went a playing with it.
Question is… am I doing anything? or is it just a dream? or a bit of both?
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It may be like what’s described in the new/old manuscript of Taisha’s, where doing it in dreaming coaxes the double to act as a scout…making things go easier/successful when doing the same while awake.
I used to dream of moving a mason jar towards and away from me with the tentacles from my will. Couldn’t do it while awake back then.
But things are different now…
Ok, don’t anyone pass this on. And erase it as soon as you read it.
It’s dangerous to newbies because it can lead to pretending, the arch enemy of Castaneda fans.
Pretending allieviates guilt for not practicing. So it’s “evil”.
That said, of course it’s the same! Any darkroom practice spells over into dreaming.
The dreams will be chaotic, and you’ll never be sure.
But eventually, they’ll merge with waking.
Then there’s no difference between waking and dreaming, except that in dreaming you’re a bit stupid.
I suppose it’s like this:
You go to the gym, and use all the weight machines everyday.
Then your aggressive spinster Aunt makes you help her move out of her apartment.
Would you wonder if it’s easier to move her heavy furniture, just because of lifting weights?
No! It’s obvious cause and effect.
Our dreams are also subject to cause and effect, but we’ve been brainwashed to ignore them.
If I were you, and if you’re darkroom practices don’t already have you too involved in projects, I’d exactly copy what you did in the dream, but in the darkroom. Do it at least 10 times, but 20 is better.
Consider it, “the knock of the spirit”. A gift.
Do it awake, and see if it spills back into the dream. There’s a path there, but it’s uncharted territory.
By the way, doing Tensegrity passes a specific number of times, is valid.
The number depends on which pass, and the goal.
But Fancy’s pass works at 4 times.
Every single time! It’s amazing to see.
If it get time and I’m bored, I’ll draw up what that looks like. But basically, at the end of 4 you can see your body as a golden being, with arms on fire with pure blue light.
At each count (1, 2, 3) you see more consistent features. Repeatable stuff. Like yellow flashes and more blue dots.
Fancy even shows up after 4, with a look of, “You got it now? 4 minimum, but more is better.”
Trouble with more is, she gets too much control. Too much horizontal shifting.
Last night she tried to convince me that horizontal shifting is better than vertical.
The lure was, shift down to below your liver, and it’s easy to shape shift.
You do it the same way you play any of the games she’s taught me.
Just take it as real, and increase the realness every second.
The way Carlos was taught to turn into a crow. The power plant only got his assemblage point there. It didn’t cause him to turn into the crow.
He did that with his focused attention.
The way Carlos was taught to turn into a crow. The power plant only got his assemblage point there. It didn’t cause him to turn into the crow.
He did that with his focused attention.
This bears repeating
I ought to be able to try it out, with Fancy’s help.
If I do, I’ll make a picture explaining why looking at puffs moves you down, but making them real moves you sideways.
And at which depth you can shapeshift.
The more Fancy teaches me, the easier that seems.
It’s no different than Emilito spinning circles in the air like a Kung fu movie.
Did they describe that process?
On the other hand, if I turn into a mouse will Cholita squash me?
And what happens then?
If you think she wouldn’t, this morning I smelled smoke. I thought maybe the neighbors were having a fire because it’s cold.
Turns out, it was a fire somewhere outside the city.
But I had to go check. Cholita likes to burn things.
First I looked in the kitchen. If Cholita gets mail that reduces her power, she burns it on the stove.
I don’t mean, she puts a little bucket there, and burns it.
I mean, she places it on the stove’s metal bars, where you put the pan, and lights it up.
And leaves the room so the evil smoke can’t touch her.
Nope.
Next I looked in the fireplace to see if she’d had a fire last night.
There was a picture of me in the middle. Ready to burn when needed.
That’s how I know she didn’t light a fire last night.
Don’t let her make a voodoo doll of you!
(as if you could actually stop a crafty Cholita)
What would be the point of coaxing a dream double? Still don’t get that.
I know I have one… or two. Sometimes I get between dream and awake and stay there. Look to the left and can see my body laying there in a distinctive reality (bubble). Look to the right and can see my dream body, dreaming and be engaged in the dream as well if I want to. Weird thing is my brain looks bright pink, like its glowing (on the dream double). And then there is the middle spot, where I don’t participate in either. But do other things. Like I noticed internal dialogue starting. Realized it wasnt coming from me per se, and forced it to go through a big green crystal I created floating above me. Kinda like a filter that blocked it all.
are you saying you can, at will, move a mason jar while fully awake sitting at the table? That would be awesome.
My dreaming double sure thought so! I must have done that for hundreds of hours in dreaming.
But it was probably being sneaky and it actually had nothing to do with moving a mason jar.
My dreaming double sure thought so! I must have done that for hundreds of hours in dreaming.
But it was probably being sneaky and it actually had nothing to do with moving a mason jar.
LOL
That does seem to be a problem. Was starting to think it’s the delay deal.
Sneaky bastardos all over in sorcery.
Ok, I’ll hack reddit and delete your post. lol
Yeah, definitely somewhat stupid in dreams all the way up to above 85% lucid… and even then
Unfortunately, I am at a wall on my dark room.
Literally lost my abilities to tune in in a few minutes and now can spend over an hour or more to only get partially to where I was a few months ago.
curse? Mind block? Dillhole iob? I have no idea, but it’s frustrating as hell.
Have found I can go to sleep for a little while wake up and have the abilities (not getting up or anything just focusing on seeing). But not always.
Thanks for that confirmation on your gym explanation. Makes sense.
Will try 20 times tonight. If I don’t pass out. Just got back from fixing a server…why can’t those things ever be easy?
I used fairys pass and got immediate response. Never tried fancy… I don’t really need more “demons” around. Golden being with blue arms sound pretty cool though.
Really want to learn to shape shift. Then I can go a wondering all over at night. Interacting with other things.
So get ap below or around liver? Then do what exactly? Concentrate on what?
feeling like the animal, feeling the wings and feet, beak…etc?
No idea what so ever to do.
With cholita being somewhat violent.
Do her spells screw with you a lot? Or is she more nice?
If she really wanted to harm you…how do you protect yourself?
Smirk, I do the same thing with mail. But just throw it away, unless its nice outside then I burn it in the fire pit.
curse? Mind block? Dillhole iob?
No, it’s normal. You had help from intent before.
Now you have to force better silence.
And 1 hour to get brighter colors is normal at first.
I’m long past that, but for weeks and weeks, that was the rule. Always 1 hour.
Part of that is doing it daily, versus not doing it daily.
You lose a lot when you stop a day.
Silence NEVER fails. When it seems not to be working, it’s because you aren’t really silent. At least, not long enough.
At some pint you get so silent, you can paint in the air with your gaze.
I was doing that last night. Too tired to stand up (Fancy pulled me into a phantom dream world all night), so I just burned a little dreaming scene, and watched that.
It’s from the silence. You can feel it.
But yes, please do try to get an IOB as fast as you can.
They make things a lot easier.
Focus the attention. Zuleica says to even do that all day long.
Carlos talked to us about “glossing” a few times.
I didn’t really understand what he was saying. I thought I did, but I didn’t.
Zuleica straightened that up. All day long focus your attention deliberately, and observe everything closely.
Using the intent of silence. That doing that will help you be silent by externalizing your internal dialogue so you can remove it.
That takes us out of “gloss mode”, and intent has a chance to play with you during the day too.
Really want to learn to shape shift
It produces hangovers.
But here’s how: Learn to move your assemblage point all the way on the J curve, as proven by reaching heightened awareness, with the dramatic breath change, and the intense bliss.
Do it daily, and pay attention to the magic that materializes at each level.
When you find the crystalline dreaming fog, or simply a very intense fog with bright swirls all around you, that’s where you shape shift.
But before shape shifting, you need to find some projects. Treat the stuff around you as if it were real, play with it, and let it pull your assemblage point sideways.
Once you can do that, you might try shapeshifting, but I suspect you’ll get too involved with other “projects”.
And we still don’t know if you really turn into the animal you select.
I believe it’s like when I walked into the dream copy of our house to find Cholita, and then walked out afterwards, directly into the shower. Without waking up.
You just can’t really figure out what happened. Only what you experienced.
Feeling the wings? Yes, that’s why that in there.
To teach us how to do that.
But if you try to feel the wing, and don’t get a magical echo of a relevant dream vision 10 or 20 seconds later, you don’t have a high enough percentage of dreaming double.
Don’t practice failure. If you start to do it and don’t automatically “know how”, save it for another day.
Do her spells mess with me?
How would I know?
No, she’s not more nice. I haven’t even seen a single piece of her for at least 3 weeks now.
If she really wanted to harm me, she’d realize she’ll be homeless.
So probably I’m safe, unless she has a huge delusion that I’m about to kill her. Last time, she believed I was going to unleash killer robots with laser eyes, to destroy her and the rest of the world.
So on occasion, Cholita’s reason goes out the window. And there’s no talking her out of it.
You just run. That’s all you can do.
Intent gave me some crazy help then.
It’s more like something is showing what I “could” do. But then blocking me from stuff I could already easily do.
Thing is I could go silent (far more than normal, perfect focus on the object and no thoughts intruding) when gazing in the manner I used to be able to do.
ah, well… the difficult way then!
Zulica was smart. Can get silent well in the Forrest focusing on all the things around. (left over from taking lots of outdoor merit badges back when scouts was a good thing), and being addicted to fishing. Come to think of it, that is when I get weird bangs and sounds, name calling where there is nobody within miles.
Not sure what exactly you mean by projects. Been viz things of my own make for many a year. How my minions were created. - Geometric shapes with no personalities (to basically stop takeovers). Constantly summon them and examine them. If colors change or the shape, things like blood are dripping off. I know some shit went down. Then clean them up, power em up and let them do what they do.
Hanging out in the woods, beaches..etc Iobs just show up …IF I am actively focusing and making and playing with things mentally created, usually a few feet in front of me. I started doing it for fun during church as a kid. Viz things hovering and moving about in the chapel while I was sitting there being bored.
Is this the same as moving the AP horizontally (sideways)?
And how to you choose a good iob?
Yeah, seriously dislike the random blackouts. For hours in some cases. Such as happened in my intent help.
Please explain…“But if you try to feel the wing, and don’t get a magical echo of a relevant dream vision 10 or 20 seconds later, you don’t have a high enough percentage of dreaming double.”
Figured constant lucidity and examining things in dreams makes a dreaming double? Or is a way to do so?
Is this the same as moving the AP horizontally (sideways)?
Yes.
However, yours seems to move easily, and a bit out of control.
And, the dreaming double comes out in a higher percentage, or perhaps merges better, as the assemblage point moves deeper.
So it’s never a perfect horizontal movement. It moves in depth too.
How to choose a good IOB?
Don’t. Take the one that shows up.
Bad IOBs are useful to the general population. Fancy is not a “good girl”.
But someone needs to understand what don Juan meant by “extract a price”.
Otherwise there are a lot of people too afraid to deal with them.
But if you try to feel the wing, and don’t get a magical echo of a relevant dream vision
Translation: You are pretending. That might work, if it invokes intent.
It’s like starting out with no puffs, but you pretend you have them by scooping and fluffing a non-existent puff with your hands.
And eventually you can see it.
But I hate to see people practice something which does nothing at all.
We’ve all had too much of that! If you want nothing at all, you can go to a don Miguel workshop. Or visit Armando and Juan so you can brag about it later.
Not wanting more of the endless pretending, I recommend waiting to try shapeshifting until you simply “know” what to do next.
That happens when the dreaming double is helping.
Figured constant lucidity and examining things in dreams makes a dreaming double?
We already have a dreaming double.
You simply have to catch it’s interest, so it’ll come visit.
With some people, like Cholita, it visits on its own.
But for most people, it’s lost in infinity.
We need to lure it close, such as by imagining doing Kung Fu moves on the ground, while you are in a tree house.
And also gather the light closer to your body with scooping and tensegrity.
My guess is that our dreaming double is also “out of scale”.
You have to bring it back to our scale, and then do interesting stuff so it comes to watch.
Lucid dreaming doesn’t make a dreaming double. It plays in it.
To “make one” that way, you have to pass the 4th gate.
Which no one has ever done. They never mention that detail, when they try to sell you something based on their “vast” sorcery knowledge.
I ran into another “teacher” today! It’s because we have that Instagram feed.
We get 2 new people a day!
One had their own “thing” going on, pretending to be good at lucid dreaming.
Looked harmless, so I shouldn’t criticize.
But why do they ALWAYS focus on that?
Know why?
Because to practice, you go to bed.
To do waking dreaming, you don’t go to bed.
So no one learned waking dreaming. They went for the easy thing, where you can also do a lot of pretending, and no one can prove otherwise.
Carlos waited to put out that Art of Dreaming book.
He introduced the technique is one of his earliest books!
But he didn’t make it into a test. A proof of what a bad ass sorcerer you can be.
Didn’t he realize how much damage it would do to the community?
Or maybe he did, but he planned to be around long enough to correct it?
And it only caused all that damage, because he died?
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