In Journey to Ixtlan, don Juan shows Carlos a movement to be performed lying down where disease could be pushed out from the body. A portion of it’s description seems straight-forward, but not all of it. For those who interfaced with Castaneda and his female companions, did they ever show this? If so, if you could share, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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The passage from the book is on this page, as well as some commentary from Dan, with source post and common references:
https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/w/tensegrity/not_doing/clawing_doorknob
As far as I know, no one has ever seen that pass done by Carlos or a witch. I’ve asked around a little.
If anyone has, I sure wish they’d draw a diagram of it.
I don’t know if you are aware, but don Juan showed Carlos that to help Carobeth Laird who was in the hospital.
She was a family friend of mine when I was around 10. A Lakota shamaness (doesn’t mean anything fun since the Lakota don’t have much in the way of functional magic anymore).
As she said, it was mostly just a ceremonial role.
However, she did have a real bear claw wand she gave to my father when she was getting too old to go on, and he put it into the closet on a high shelf, where you might hide a handgun in a shoebox.
Somehow it symbolized passing on the role of shaman to my father, to give him that wand.
In return, Carobeth was buried with a huge silver medallion my father liked to wear. Gaudy New Mexico indian jewelry was in style back then but his medallion reflected some old beatnik styles from the 1950s.
Their association was through the book publishing company he helped with editing, at Morongo reservation.
My father told me that the bear claw came alive at night and he heard a beast walking around, so he donated it to UCR’s little exhibit on Carobeth Laird. You could probably see it there, if you asked around.
But you can deduce how that clawing movement goes from don Juan’s comments that it teaches you to find the “lines in the hands”.
And it REALLY does! You can get “phantom fiber hands” using that.
In fact, I practice it daily just because it’s the fastest path to Silent Knowledge, if you get to the point that you don’t have to use Tensegrity to get there.
You just do alternating “claw hand door knob” techniques in front of you as you sit up on pillows in a dark room, until you can make out those lines being pushed around.
But you can’t possibly do that until you reach the orange zone! If you don’t see “whitish light on surfaces”, don’t try to pretend it.
Those wavy lines stimulate the sight of the tentacle body.
It’s all very “ethereal”, and our tendency is to ignore it. So the trick with claw hand, is to learn not to ignore it.
If you do, it gets stronger daily.
But always has that “ethereal feeling of non-realness” despite being vividly visible when you learn to silence the internal dialogue enough.
Don Juan said those lines in the hand aren’t sturdy enough to be very useful.
Meaning, it’s unlikely you’ll be pushing around dried leaves on the ground using them.
However, they can alter how reality forms, and so can be used to do stunning magic if you are in silent knowledge, and realize “how” to do that.
I can’t tell you more than my personal experience:
I have been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2017. It was active as I had done neccessary MRI scans where active lesions were present in my brain.
Shortly thereafter, I started practicing this pass daily, calling intent and “pushing it out” of my light cocoon with focus.
I started feeling something like glue around my hand. It is CRUCIAL to, as you work your hand outwards to the left, you intend to “slide off” the “glue” from it.
Multiple sclerosis has no cure in medicine, just symptom treatment. Today, I have no lesions in my brain and of course, the doctors can’t explain it, they resort to feeling as if the diagnosis was wrong, but it wasn’t as I visited multiple doctors.
During this I have also done other practices and it will fail if you’re not impeccable. Energy is required to succeed. During the course of doing this, I also started my recapitulation and lost my human form, which I can talk about if anyone wants to hear it. But yes, you need to feel the energy if you aren’t able to see it. Which is somehow one and the same in the end, but seeing it took me longer than feeling it.
Hi,
Is it okay if I ask more about the technique like the exact position of hands and fingers, and how to prevent pulling anything unwanted. I think about pushing something out with the outwards movement of my hand but what should I think about when the hand comes back?
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You shouldn’t think. This should be done in complete inner silence, with intent, and intent to me is a feeling. Not an emotion! A feeling that is somehow beyond my body, out of it.
I specifically intended that my fist (but it’s actually more like a closed claw, so fist but the palm is open, fingers closed) pushes out the feeling that is attributed to the sickness. It’s hard to explain verbally.
So, you should have a feeling (not an emotion) attached to whatever you intend to push out. Then, you should intend that it does go out with the motion of the hand. The feeling of “it” leaving your hand like a string coming out of your elbow through your palm is what happened in my case.
I don’t know about the feeling when the hand comes back. For me, it was a little wobbly feeling of trying to intend that nothing is pulled in except my own energy. It is very hard to explain this so I suggest you follow the advice of Castaneda and try it on your own. But there should be no thoughts in this process, that’s for sure. Only feeling, and seeing if you are capable, both in intent and inner silence.
Thanks a lot for answering. It was really helpful.
Was your hand like this 
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If not can you describe the fingers and fingertips in more detail please? Like were the fingers separated and were the finger tips touching the palm? And were your lowest part of the finger(third section that is closest to palm) drawn far back making a straight line with palm like in picture?
Again. Thanks a lot.
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Google claw hand martial arts for a basic analogy. This just needs to be done to the best of your ability. Plus it requires INTENT as the most important factor.
Listen, you should feel the way it should be and not focus on your body but the intent. The body will follow intent. I know it doesn’t give you much clarity, but do read the books, practice and practice inner silence and intent in general.
I didn’t follow anyone’s advice doing this, except for what don Juan scarcily explained. The rest was my own intent. I don’t feel like giving you precise directions would truly be helpful.
Don’t view this as something mechanical. It’s really about feeling it more (not emotions, again, feeling).
Is it with right or left hand? And do you push out then back in an outward circle or just back and forth?
