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I hate to bother you. In regards to your last post, it takes me about 5-10 min to see colors/fairy twinkles. It’s not difficult. It’s the shift of breathing that alarms me, so I end up abruptly stopping the practice. I’m part of a Kalpulli and was told by a teacher to enter into this realm with a protector,a jaguar, or another personage who I felt could offer protection. Have you ever heard of this?

The add was that when I experience the colors, the images, etc, in an everyday, non practicing time frame, the breathing shift doesn’t occur.

I’m sorry for so many questions. I’m doing this practice alongside my kalpulli studies and feel quite alone in practicing them, even though they originated in our communities

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I recommend maybe lurking through the wiki (the “About” section) and some of the mods posts. From my understanding the best way to progress through this path is to drop everything else and focus on silence, dark room, and maybe some tensegrity until you get to cool stuff. I dont have as much experience though, someone with a better understanding should be able to give better advice.

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Hi. Thank you for the response. I did look around. Have been on and off about doing this work. More “ON” now and consistent. Just need a little assistance every so often. :slight_smile:

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There is nothing counter to darkroom with seeking the help of power animals, or other power beings, including inorganic beings. Those teachers, guides and protectors have historically been sought out by practitioners seeking to go beyond normal perception.

You may already be aware but, non-physical or inorganic beings are considered essential to this practice in particular, because they provide dark energy needed to journey to their realms where a practitioner is able to fuel up on their energy to go even further to where inorganic beings won’t go. In the books there are many instances of other power beings helping Carlos and Taisha and others sorcerers, including sorcerer trees, power or spirit deer, spirit or power dogs, etc.

I can’t advise you as I’m a beginner, but others here have advised anyone doing dark room to seek inorganic beings as allies, and it is common practice within this lineage to seek exactly the entities you mention. In fact, based on the events and happenings within the books, it would seem they can also share dark energy with you and teach. Inorganic beings are attracted to darkroom, so they are the most likely source of help.

Edit: Hopefully, if I’m mistaken a more experienced practitioner will come correct me and bail us out.

:slight_smile:

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I had to google the meaning of kalpulli.

So it’s an Aztec thing?

And when you say you’ve been guided on how to “enter this realm”, do you mean moving the assemblage point with inner silence? Is it the same thing as what we’re doing here?

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The only other thought I have is to push through the breath change fear, by not giving up.

Keep after it!!

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Associated is what I would say. The teachings/exercise are focused on the role of Tezcatlipoca and take on a more reflective nature and to gather knowledge of healing. Much of the work is done independently, but the outcome should be to come together stronger as a community. Many of the members tend to work better with scrying with Obsidian. I entered the kalpulli and started using the exercises within this group almost the same time. I’ve spoken about them to an elder, about some of the practices I’ve learned in this group. In essence, it is compared to looking into the obsidian mirror within. I tend to need a little nudge and a specific type of explanation for things, and the information found in this group, in Castaneda’s work helps me a great deal. Same sort of direction, though… don’t read so much and do the work.

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Yes, and Tlazohcamati for your encouragement.

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Interesting. Is the excercise anything like recapitulation in Castaneda’s work?

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it takes me about 5-10 min to see colors/fairy twinkles. It’s not difficult.

Wow! Women are magic! :sparkles:

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This is beyond my social skills. I’ll leave the others to help you.

But don’t forget that magic in the Americas is originally 10,000 years old:

Siberia → Alaska → US → Mexico, the Olmecs → Toltecs and Aztecs.

Kalpulli = 800 years old.

Olmec sorcery = 10,000 years old.

You are at the “green station” in this picture, on the right.

Our “breath change” is at the bottom. At the “Orange Station”

If you did not see everything from the green station, all the way to the bottom of the railroad tracks, you didn’t not reach the “breath change”.

Which is a major accomplishment.

We don’t use drugs, we don’t close our eyes. We see those things fully awake, fully sober.

And you can walk into those dreams, or “zip” back and forth between dream bubbles.

Shapeshifting into a Jaguar is at the red station.

The “breath change” is twice the distance as it is to the red station.

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Wow, that would be cool if you brought more power over there!

However, as I’ve learned, everyone involved in magic is not actually interested in magic.

They have more selfish motivations.

So typically, I’d get lynched for even suggesting they don’t already have it all.

A woman might get away with it!

Carlos always seemed to introduce new topics, by bringing a woman up to the front of class and pretending it was all her idea.

I assumed he was using the dark energy of a woman. Borrowing it for a better chance to have that new topic work out for our benefit. But it’s also possible he was using the “sweetness” of women. As don Juan said, men can’t be that way, or they’re considered “prissy”. So it was a topic sorcerers paid attention to.

Occasionally Carlos even got Carol Tiggs to “give us a demonstration”.

I really don’t think that was her idea.

But it worked spectacularly. Nothing the audience could see, but 2 of us got into the IOB cave though Carol Tiggs.

And later I read in some notes Techno compiled, that Carol was the queen of the IOB realms.

I never knew that.

She also seems to be the digeridoo queen. I’m going to write that up, it might be of interest to your group.

Native American style singing (which is closer to monk like chanting) can move the assemblage point.

My inorganic being Fairy came and insisted I try it out.

She even landed on my hand in Fairy form, like the “good old days” to make sure I knew it was her.

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They have more selfish motivations.

Many are interested in using it as a springboard to create “magical” courses to sell or something in a similar vein. Some want to be seen as teachers in their own right. This is odd because they were given this information with both hands open by a respected elder who passed. I’ve spoken of it in straightforward terms, and I end up sounding like I’m crazy. The consensus is that “medicine” should be accessed through paywalls. I was crestfallen when I realized it was the same ole crap among many apprentices and elders, but I can’t convince anyone when you have been pegged as “off” and “angry.” Everyone wants to be seen as wise and be paid for it. There are a few though that see things differently.

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i have a few questions:

  • can you describe breath change in detail?
  • are you using plants as aid?
  • how long do you practice (hrs, minutes) all together?

I would suggest that you take the knowledge from the Olmecs as a silent gift to you by the spirit. Use both paths and by being intelligent discern what is actually going on.

A lot of beliefs and rituals from tribes are nowadays veiled in religious clothes. They do work, but the scope is very narrow in understanding why and how it works.
The advantage in being raised in that community is that your perception includes ranges that are not known for the majority of people. Your AP is looser as well by doing practices and learning from elders who had power.

The question about the protector is a good example of this.

What is a protector?

What is really an animal spirit?

Is it an IOB in shape of an animal, or really an animal in the spirit form?

From what do you need protection?

How does it protect you?

What does breath change signifies in your culture?

…

I don’t know the answers, but those are sober questions.

And sharing your experience also sheds some light on our practices. It confirms that you do have a lot of similarities with Olmecs, being implicit descendants of the culture. We might get some good stories from you yet

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Good to hear you have so much common sense.

So let me say, the “take a Jaguar along with you” is completely delusional.

And fake.

The Olmecs TURNED INTO jaguars. For real.

Stick to this place and you can also. It’ll probably be a badly formed Jaguar, but you can still do that for real. It’s not even hard! Just deep red zone.

Also, dead animals don’t have spirits. They’re consumed by the Eagle too. Awareness dispersed until it’s useless.

There aren’t any Jaguar spirits out there. And if whoever told you that was a sorcerer, he’d be very aware of it.

I suppose, some Jaguar could learn to move it’s assemblage point, and maybe they also have a “double”.

Don Juan had that magical deer.

But if those are out there, they are SUPER RARE.

I’ve never seen one. And I have seen the double of powerful women like Cholita or Jenna, many times.

There’s no “just bring a Jaguar” along.

But lets say there were spirit jaguars, even if rare.

Why not include any spirit animal? There’s far more rats in the world than Jaguars.

So if magical Jaguars exist, you really ought to be less “book deal” minded, and bring a magical rat.

The guy is full of it. Just that advice alone is enough to classify him as a fraud.

But until Carlos came along, it was all fraud out there. Nothing to compare it to, so I suppose everyone thought they could get away with tricking people.

What kind of a person would do that???

That doesn’t mean they can’t get to the green line on the J curve. I’m sure they can.

But so can Buddhists, Christians, Daoists, Sufis, and small children.

I’ve seen dogs who could get to the green line. You find them half asleep laying on their side, with their little legs running to catch up with a cat that isn’t there.

I forgot about 2 justifications for the “take a Jaguar along”.

But I really doubt they’ve reached that level.

You might have an IOB who will turn into a Jaguar for you.

I made a cat. Only took a week. Turned into a very nice Siberian who could even jump on the bed, and make it “bounce”.

But did your leader ever teach you how to do that? It’s a simple procedure, not hard to explain. If he didn’t, that’s not a good sign.

Then there’s a “phantom Jaguar”.

You can manufacture your own Jaguar. He doesn’t really exist, but it can be very vivid and real looking.

And I’m not talking with your eyes closed. That’s not going to be much use for exploring the second attention with your eyes open.

That would be more like taking drugs to pretend your sorcery while sitting in a chair with your eyes closed.

To do it awake, eyes open, completely sober, and to have it be reliable, would be VERY advanced sorcery.

If you could do that, you wouldn’t need to bring anything at all along.

Except maybe a sandwich. There was a sandwich shop in Huntington Beach back in the late 70s, that had a “Jaguar sub”.

Bring that.

Maybe you can “tinker” with your sorcery group, without getting lynched.

Because you’re a woman?

Eventually some sorcery groups will notice our materials and try to repair their magic.

If they had a woman as a guide, instead of a greedy male, it might turn out better.

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can you describe breath change indetail?

I’ve done some meditation in my life, but it is not like the relaxed, slower belly breathof deep meditation. It almost feels like when you are running long distances. Ihaven’t run in a few years, but I used to run long distances- 13 miles at atime. When you hit that “flow” stage; You feel like you are not breathing, butwhen it happens during the practice, it feels like it’s oscillating between theflowing breath and regular breath (like coming up for air when you areswimming). Does that make sense?·

are you using plants as aid?

None. I’ve never used any plant aids, synthetic psychedelics, no drugs of any kind in my40 odd years of life on this earth. Truth be told, I don’t need any external assistance.Some people have shared their experiences and they can mirror some of my own experiences,but it feels like the difference between their stories and mine are that I amalways in control of my situation versus an experience coming at me or occurringto me. My “I” always remains.·

how long do you practice (hrs.,minutes) all together?

About 2-3 times a week for 30min-1.5 hours, per session. At night-under my covers; with my eyes open. I’m a full-time student and hold a full-time job. I try to find the time when I can. I don’t know if it is appropriate to use, but I call it “entering into the otherrealms.” It’s always been easy for me to do so, but it has created a situation that I recognize that I am kind of lazy about my practice. I’m trying to change this and be consistent.I stay on as an apprentice in the kalpulli because it is my cultural background and thepeople I wish to serve are steeped in the healing practices of these teachings.So, I continue. My own personal journey is working here within THIS group. So, in a way, it is another kalpulli me to work alongside of. Sometimes, the paths converge, sometimes not.What is strange is that I thought I would find more individuals with the looser AP inthe kalpulli. That was not the case, but I feel culturally and spiritually thatI should continue learning the path due to the community work that I wish todedicate myself to.The questions you put forth are something that I will discern.

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I gathered as much about the jaguar thing. It hasn’t worked
very well. It is a symbol that doesn’t reverberate. I don’t see any jaguars in
my everyday life.
Now dogs and cats. I see and live with every day. I have
discovered that when I sit or lay down with my dog, who is sleeping deeply at
this point, and in close bodily proximity, the ride is smoother. We dream-walk together, and I feel safely watched
over.
Regarding my group, who knows…It requires work, and it’s
easier to make money with classes. People tend to look at free stuff with
distaste.

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Yea, that came up in the phantom subreddit last night. I couldn’t tell the difference between that, and the real thing.

Still can’t.

But then you brought it up.

If you make it into the phantom subreddit, be sure to bring your cat or dog.

That way I can recognize you.

It’s really not as mysterious as it seems.

Even with the internet in the middle, we’re mixing energy in here.

So it’s no different than the apprentices of don Juan, ending up in shared dreams.

Or Taisha saying she also has that happen, presumably with the rest of the inner circle.

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hehe, hard to read formatted like this. can you edit the post and put 2 new lines between paragraphs?