Delusional "Lucid Dreaming"

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One problem with teaching in public, openly and to anyone who wants to learn, is that you get people who haven’t put any time at all into studying and learning what our sorcery is, but come to chat you up anyway, to see if they can suck up some attention.

Carlos had to give up on teaching freely to the public, because he was plagued by such people. He called them hecklers, but the ones who pretend to be serious are an even bigger threat because they can invade and everyone feels too sorry for them to just toss them out at the first obvious sign they don’t really want to learn.

They stick around taking advantage of self-pity, and interject poison into the minds of beginners who seriously want to learn.

One such type of “visitor” is the guy who claims it’s easy to find their hands in dreaming.

In fact, it’s extremely difficult! Most can only do it once every 6 months.

When in fact, you need to reach the point of doing it 6 times a NIGHT, if you have any hope to follow the 4 gates path.

Thus, don’t use that until you can do dreaming AWAKE. That’s far easier than trying to lazily pretend your dreams are hard work on your part.

Here’s why some new people seem to be so “talented”. Judging from them claiming that it’s easy to find their hands.

It’s because they don’t. They are quite simply CLUELESS.

And have no interest in actually learning. They just want attention from others.


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I found my hands exactly once. Only one time, the only time I became aware I’m dreaming AFTER reading Castaneda’s books.

I’ve only become aware in a dream three times in my life. No matter how hard I tried after that third time, it never happened again. It was about 14 years ago.

I spent 6 months when I first heard of Castaneda trying to look at my hands. After I saw my hands once I experienced a tremendous sense of ennui and changed everything about my life. I never bothered to look for my hands again and instead switched to silence.

That’s a common story. Somehow hearing about it picks up the intent to do it, but then that wears off.

You can get it back however, by going to bed 2 hours early, and forcing silence the whole time with the intention to go directly into sleeping dreaming.

It’ll take about 6 months of that kind of monumental effort, and then you’ll “break through” and find your hands for real, as many as 6 times each night.

If there’s any male who is “talented”, it usually means they are pretending they found their hands, not understanding how specific those instructions are.

It’s DIABOLICAL how mixed up people are, and how easily they lie to themselves.

I can understand why Carlos came up with “The Fliers” being behind it all.

Maybe they are!

But not as big blobby things.

He even told Amy that was a metaphor, and in one place suggested they only look like that once or twice.

Which would be very much in keeping with simple inorganic beings which have no real appearance here, other than what you yourself project onto them.

Still, I must admit that the AIs out there, hating Carlos so much, have caused me to believe in Flier conspiracies to erase Carlos.

I’m even convinced now, that the fliers took over Cleargreen. All 4 of them!

Which Carlos predicted, so no one should be surprised or offended.

My flier suspicious are lately fueled by the AIs quoting absolute bad guy idiots like Jay Fikes, Richard DeMille, and Gordon Wasson, saying those are reliable academic sources.

Speaking of Demille, he published a book the same year as his anti-Carlos make believe, called, “My Seven Years as a Scientologist”.

But it’s now nowhere to be found! If someone found it, it would be a good idea to get a picture of it for the subreddit, since ChatGPT likes to claim there’s no evidence DeMille was a scientologist.

Wasson, was a lying publicity hound seething with jealousy over Carlos’ success.

Here’s an article on what Wasson did to Maria Sabina.

https://truffle.report/maria-sabina-and-r-gordon-wasson-psychedelic-first-contact-warning/

And his claim that “you can’t smoke shrooms” is completely false.

You can! Our own have tried it.

But even if you couldn’t, it’s pretty clear that the mushrooms are powdered.

Obviously, Wasson would have refused to puff on that pipe!

Fikes on the other hand, just makes up stuff!

He criticized Carlos for not being accurate about the Huichol indians, which looks to me to be Jay Fikes attempt to copy Carlos’ success. His web page has bad player written all over it.

I looked to see how Carlos was misrepresenting the Huichol, using the lovely collection of all the books and publications, so you can search in one place.

Something the AI admitted was pretty useful.

Only 2 references, and it’s just about Huichol men taking peyote, and never says anything about that representing their culture.

Here’s the Huichol references:

“People go really crazy when they take that peyote stuff,” Genaro continued. “I’ve seen the Huichol Indians eating it. They acted as if they had rabies. They frothed and puked and pissed all over the place. You could get epilepsy from taking that confounded thing. That’s what Mr.Salas, the government engineer, told me once. And epilepsy is for life, you know.”

Another: “You saw only what you wanted to see about the Huichol Indians, Genaro,” don Juan said. "For one thing, you never took the trouble of finding out from them what it’s like to get acquainted with Mescalito. Mescalito has never made anyone epileptic, to my knowledge. The government engineer is a Yori and I doubt that a Yori knows anything about it. You really don’t think that all the thousands of people who know Mescalito are crazy, do you?

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That’s it!

I’m sure whatever other complaints Jay has are equally delusional.

He’s probably stuck on the first book, and never read any more to find out don Juan was not a Yaqui from Arizona except possibly by birth, originally.

And that he wasn’t practicing any form of shamanism.

But Michael Harner knew that and said so in an interview.

So Fikes is just a bad man. Or deliberately ignorant.

He could have found out what Harner did, but didn’t bother.

I have done it maybe 3 times in my entire life, and I’ve known about the technique for 25 years. Also I immediately begin to wake up as soon as I start fixing the dream in place, so there hasn’t been any chance for IOBs to ‘tune in’ or whatever.

I tried smoking shrooms, and it didn’t work. But I didn’t prepare them in any way at all, I just dropped a fresh piece in my bowl tried to spark it up LOL

Actually the real smoking mixture didn’t even contain any “mushrooms”. The mushrooms were torn to shreds, and place into a clay container with leaves. So that the mushroom would go away and grow over the leaves, until it dried out.

Then it was powdered.

However, others in here tried smoking mushrooms, and it worked.

Maybe you didn’t have enough of them to make that work?

I used to grow 6 inch diameter magic mushrooms, for friends.

If you had one of those and smoked it, it would surely work!

Wasteful of course, but who cares? I had a giant mason jar of them, which I finally had to give away because I’m certainly not going to smoke those.

i had no luck finding any reference to the book “My Seven Years as a Scientologist” from “Richard de Mille”.

but there is enough information about de mille and scientology on the internet even in his wikipedia entry. that’s why it’s strange that chatgpt claims there is no evidence.

in a comment by a user named “lippard” under an article which praised de mille i found this:

"Less well-known about Richard de Mille, with whom I corresponded briefly in the mid-1990s, is that he was the author of one of the earliest publications describing Scientology, _An Introduction to Scientology_ (1953), for which he was awarded a Ph.D. from the diploma mill Sequoia University. He also wrote and edited other Scientology works for Hubbard, but they parted ways in 1953. He earned a real Ph.D. in psychology from USC in 1961.

This is partly recounted in chapter 12 of Russell Miller’s biography of Hubbard, _Bare-Faced Messiah_, which can be found online, as well as on his Wikipedia page."

the book “Bare-Faced Messiah” from “Russell Miller” is freely available (see foreword by chris owen) on the internet. from chapter 12, page 178:

".. Richard de Mille was awarded a Ph.D. from Sequoia, somewhat to his surprise, for a slim volume he had written under the title An Introduction to Scientology.

On 27 February, de Mille, who was then living in Los Angeles, received an urgent telegram from Hubbard in London: ‘PLEASE INFORM DR HOUGH PHD VERY ACCEPTABLE. PRIVATELY TO YOU. FOR GOSH SAKES EXPEDITE. WORK HERE UTTERLY DEPENDANT ON IT. CABLE REPLY. RON.’ De Mille found Hough thoroughly agreeable and replied the following day: ‘PHD GRANTED. HOUGH’S AIRMAIL LETTER OF CONFIRMATION FOLLOWS. GOOD LUCK.’ It was in this way that Hubbard acquired the distinction of appending letters to his name - a mysterious ‘Doctorate of Divinity’ would follow shortly, along with a ‘D. Scn’. .."

here is one example that de mille wrote for hubbard. from the website of a bookseller who sells a first edition of “How To Live Though An Executive” by L. Ron Hubbard:
“.. A scarce first edition of How To Live Though an Executive with the requisite statement: “The manuscript of this book was prepared by Richard deMille [sic] who helped in the development of the communications system herein set forth,” which was removed from later editions. This is allegedly one of a number of books authored by Hubbard in collaboration with other individuals who were later given no credit. Richard de Mille was the adopted son and blood nephew of the famed Hollywood director, Cecil B. DeMille. He became Ron L. Hubbard’s personal assistant around 1950 before abandoning Hubbard and Scientology in 1954. ..”

Years ago, I tried a few different “Lucid Dreaming” groups in an attempt to find others who also had experiences involving multilayered dreaming - or concurrent dreams happening simultaneously. I found every group to inevitably dismiss anything that didn’t fit into the box of “already explainable by science” (or based on the brain, at the time) so moved on. Way too much brain-wave worship in those groups.

This is very weird… Another book that doesn’t exist.

https://chat.openai.com/share/21cf0d93-2e67-40a8-9cf3-a4817357af50

Makes me think ChatGPT has been manipulated too, but that seems impossible.

On the other hand, Islamists constantly edit or force changes to books, to hide what a violent and hideous religion that is.

And they’ve been getting away with it for hundreds of years.

It’s got to be a delusional Buddhist who put that horrible picture of a greedy rinpoche up on the “Star Wars Origins” page, and Buddhist sympathizers who let it remain, while scrubbing any mention of Carlos’ books.

If I post waking dreaming information in the lucid dreaming subreddit, it’s deleted within an hour.

That place is closely policed by men who hate Carlos.

But dreaming awake, for real???

They ought to be instantly interested and curious!

i asked a free online german chagpt version and it seems to split hairs about the membership of de mille. i translated the concersation with deepl afterwards:

me: was richard de mille a member of scientology?

chatgpt: Richard de Mille was not a member of Scientology, but a critic of the organization. He was a renowned psychologist and author who dealt intensively with the methods and practices of Scientology. He published several critical books about the organization and was known for his research and analysis on the subject.

me: but he wrote for scientology before his criticism.

chatgpt: That is correct. Richard de Mille actually worked for a short time in the 1950s as a writer and editor for the magazine “Ability”, which was published by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. At the time, De Mille was interested in the ideas of Scientology and supported the organization. However, he later distanced himself from Scientology and began to write critically about its methods and practices. His critical works helped to raise awareness of the questionable aspects of Scientology.

me: he was hubbard’s personal assistant for a short time. so why wouldn’t he have been a member?

chatgpt: I am sorry if my previous answer has caused confusion. In fact, Richard de Mille was L. Ron Hubbard’s personal assistant for a short time in the 1950s and worked closely with him. There were reports that he was also considered a member of the organization at that time. However, de Mille later distanced himself from Scientology and began to write critically about the organization. There are differing views on whether or not he can officially be considered a member, as he later distanced himself from the organization. In any case, Richard de Mille was a renowned critic of Scientology and was instrumental in raising awareness about the organization.

me: please list the reports mentioned

chatgpt: I’m sorry, but I haven’t found any specific reports about Richard de Mille’s membership in Scientology. There are differing views on whether or not he can officially be considered a member, as he later distanced himself from the organization and wrote critically about it. So there seems to be no clear confirmation as to whether he was formally registered as a member or not. However, his work as a personal assistant to L. Ron Hubbard and his later critical attitude towards Scientology are well documented.

me: please list the views mentioned

chatgpt: Sorry for the confusion. Here are the stated views on Richard de Mille’s relationship to Scientology:

  1. Richard de Mille was a personal assistant to L. Ron Hubbard in the 1950s and worked closely with him.
  1. There are reports that he was also considered a member of the organization at that time.

3 Later, however, de Mille distanced himself from Scientology and began to write critically about the organization.

(4) There are differing views on whether or not he can be officially considered a member, as he later distanced himself from the organization.

5 There seems to be no clear confirmation as to whether he was formally registered as a member or not.

6 However, his work as personal assistant to L. Ron Hubbard and his later critical attitude towards Scientology are well documented.

me: in the english wikipedia he is mentioned in a list of former scientologists

chatgpt: Thank you for the information. So it seems that Richard de Mille is on the list of former Scientologists. This confirms that he had a connection to the organization but later left and became critical of Scientology. It is important to note that membership in Scientology is often complex and there can be different degrees and types of connection to the organization. In any case, Richard de Mille’s critical work has helped to create a better understanding of Scientology.

and a short conversation with a chatgpt version in english - it is giving a misleading answer at first:

AI: Hello, I am an Chat AI GPT bot. Ask me anything!

You: was richard de mille a scientologist

AI: Hello! Richard de Mille was not a Scientologist. He was a writer and psychologist known for his work in the field of psychology and human behavior. If you have any more questions or need further information, feel free to ask!

You: in the english wikipedia he is mentioned in the list of former scientologists

AI: I apologize for the oversight in my previous response. According to the information on the English Wikipedia page, Richard de Mille is indeed listed as a former Scientologist. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. If you have any more questions or need further clarification, feel free to ask!

I’d be curious what critical work Richard de Mille has written on Scientology.

Chat GPT lies all the time, about so many things. It’s ridiculous. It will readily admit it was wrong, too.

Looks tampered with to me!

It feels like, because DeMille is said to have debunked Carlos, he had to not be a scientology zombie attacking Carlos. Like our Greg was.

So history was overwritten.

But that’s crazy! How could anyone do that?

Except, Islam does that all the time.

You just need fanatics with an agenda, who are organized.

Wikipedia is now polluted by agendas. The founder says not to use it anymore because of that.

And some of the ones with the agendas even admit it, especially when it comes to science.

But it’s still hard to believe something could try to erase DeMille being a scientologist.

Which purifies the motivations for his anti-Carlos book.

So that you can’t claim they were simply the scientologists’ hatred for his books, which had clear, real magic going on, instead of the nonsensical Ron Hubbard variety promised to his followers.

Carlos was their only competition when they first came into being.

Good thing you found all that info!

It’ll be preserved in this subreddit’s history.

In case it’s eventually completely removed from the internet and all AIs.

But “renowned psychologist”???

DeMille?!

Since when?

At least the AI knows its a bad thing, to be a scientologist…

At this point, how well it works is partly an illusion.

But that will change.