Don Juan talked to Carlos about seeing the death of his own son, while Mercedes tells Florinda about the spirit of her ancestors being available for summoning, as well as the time required for death to be complete . In curious about the people who see ghosts, especially old ones, like civil war era. What do you all think makes people see things and people that DJ told us would have had a real, sudden death?
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"Howard said that after death the attention slowly dissipated, lasting about 500 years before fizzling out. This was in agreement with the Nagual’s (Castaneda’s) statements.
Carlos first went to see Howard about 25 years ago because one of the women in his group, not now with him, noticed the place. She wasn’t given to finishing things, but Carlos went with her to sign her up, and ended up being a student himself, for 10 or 15 years. The witches sometimes practiced too. Howard didn’t know it was Carlos for the longest time, until Carlos one day asked if he could dedicate The Fire from Within to him. Howard said he didn’t believe him until he saw the book…
…According to someone I won’t name, Carlos told Old Florinda about Howard, she was still around back then, saying he talked just like don Juan. Old Florinda took it as an omen, telling Carlos he had to do anything Howard wanted. Howard can sometimes be seen wearing something Carlos gave him as a gift, which belonged to the old Nagual. I’ve seen it, so I can verify the story."
source - http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/Lawton_howard_lee.htm
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"When I was first starting to do the rolls and other movements, I had very little range of movement with my arm. I thought I was moving them all the way back, but I was just making little circles out to the side. I worked with Howard Lee. Howard was my Kung Fu teacher for 10 years. [From 1974 to 1984, according to Howard.] He was a great Kung Fu teacher. I went to him because I wanted more movement, I wanted to learn martial arts to get the more complete, full movement…
…The martial arts connection with Tensegrity goes back to the Nagual Lujan, but after him, we had just the form of his movements without the rationale. It wasn’t until Clara Böhm, with her martial arts training, formalizing the number of movements we should do, that the rationale was restored for the movements. Originally I was doing the movements in the way the sorcerers did them, which was shittily. They weren’t good at movement, they were focusing on perception and changing perception, so movement wasn’t really their fort? But I wanted both…
…I showed Howard Lee where I’d dedicated to H.Y. Lee. Howard responded, ‘You’re Carlos Castaneda?’ He’d read the books, and said, ‘I got a lot of ideas, a lot of my stuff from those books.’ It completely changed him. He was never the same toward me again. He used to be really comfortable and natural with me, and do acupuncture on me, but after that it was never the same. So I don’t see him anymore. He’s one of two people I would have liked to have helped."
source - http://sustainedaction.org/Notes/cleargreen\_night\_sessionsVI.htm
Thanks, I always thought from the incident of DJs son it was much more instantaneous.
I remember him describing how one’s awareness dissipates like ripples after throwing a stone into a pond, or something similar, but much more involved and wondrous (to one’s seeing).
What was Howard tapped into?
He doesn’t describe it as one of the Great Bands of Emanations, but as the “Light of Life.”
http://www.lightandlongevity.com/060howardylee.html
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/nagual/howard-y-lee-castaneda-s-reluctant-new-nagual-t1718.html
Thank you for your help.
I sort of “saw” this last night, but I don’t trust things I saw only once.
We were made to be probes of “meaning”.
The eagle rips those “meanings” out of us at death, and because we never prepared for that, we become “deactivated”.
Not focusing on anything, and with no container to hold our awareness anymore (since the egg broke open) we dissipate. Get so thin, that any awareness you might point to would be too weak to stir any emanations.
Ghosts could be anything. IOBs messing with you, intent from the past which stirs your own emanations to create a “phantom” representation.
There’s no way to know!
Maybe heaven exists because so many people believe in it, and some weird aspect of our intent goes there and hangs out a while.
Heaven is easy to view! But different for each viewer in each culture.
So if you run into a “psychic” who makes it all sound predictable and always the same, such as teaching you ghosts are real, like in the movies you have a con man. Or a fool.
When someone explains reality to you, there ought to be a lot of, “but then, you could mistake that for… and also it takes many years to understand this other part…” and so on.
The Jewish prophets are an example of poor sorcerers. Or liars.
I think they did it for the good of society at the time, but in fact, there’s no Lucifer.
They were using silence to do what we do, but didn’t understand what was going on.
Possibly one actually met Lucifer, and surely they saw God.
I saw God just 3 days ago.
And certainly many demons since then.
But if one of the demons, or even God himself told me a story, I wouldn’t go out and repeat it.
It’s just the game they were playing when they spoke to you. A reflection of yourself, mixed with a tiny bit of them.
So if you run into Lucifer, ask him to get some new Pajamas. That red outfit isn’t cool anymore.
May I know in which book does this happens, please. Greatings to everyone.
I guess that’s why we never see ghosts of cave men but still see the ghosts of Gettysburg battle