Can anyone explain wtf just happened to me?

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I fell asleep dark room gazing while listening to theta music… I’m in sort of an exploratory mode where I feel most drawn to this but I’m still reading up other things.

Last night I was reading some threads about astral projection and reality shifting… But honestly I don’t want to shift someplace fake but just make my own reality better…I tried to think about it though if there’s any place I’d rather be.. I’m also just curious if these things are real or larping…

Well between thinking about that, trying to not think and play with colors and thinking about astral projection between the fight with thinking and not thinking while listening to a theta playlist…I drifted into the weirdest dream ever…

I can’t remember much I think maybe I was traveling with friends from a long time ago or I could be someone else and it’s his friends and a romantic interest and the country was occupied by Chinese or something and there were natural disasters everywhere… At one point we’re also singing songs from Les Miserables.. so fuck if I know…

But I wasn’t fully lucid or aware I was dreaming but I had some control over the dream…I guess super powers maybe? I could manifest anything we needed…

At one point we were in a jail and I manifested food and anything people requested then the keys to get out…

I mean the dream jumped around a lot…

My wife got up and went to get the kids and turned on the light…I opened my eyes to look at her rolled over pulled blanket over my eyes closed them and I was immediately back in the dream and at the same time aware of my wife…

It was the funkiest feeling ever… It was like I was a hop and a skip between dreaming and awake…

I think I may have a little aphantasia, in that it’s very hard to picture stuff, unless I’m reading a fantasy novel or something very descriptive or a guided meditation…

But it felt like I was caught between two worlds and while the one was shifty like we’d be outside in freezing cold with snow rain and flooded road ways one minute the next a cozy but cramped jail cell with people who don’t speak English as our captors… It was still pretty vivid…

I still lack full cognition of the dream, I wonder if part of that is sleep apnea related…

Honestly the oddest part was whenever my eyes were closed I was back in that dream… Even when I woke up I still felt attached to it…

I’ve never had a lucid dream maybe this is sort of a warm up… Preparing my mind to be ready when I do…

It kinda felt like delirium when sick or after morphine in the hospital coming out of surgery…

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If you closed your eyes and went back into the dream but couldn’t feel your physical body or hear outside sounds it’s a lucid dream.

If you’re in the dream and you could hear outside sounds then you were in a liminal space.

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Huh, can you explain the liminal space more? That sounds like where I was… Maybe. I’ve never had full control or awareness in a dream but I think dreaming I did have control might be a close step in that direction?

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Liminal spaces are “in between” spaces. It can be anything that involves moving from point A to B the space is usually at the midpoint. So when you experience hypnagogia for example you’re in a liminal state (midpoint between awake and asleep) from there you can enter realistic visions.

When people wake up in sleep paralysis and say they saw something its because they woke up in a liminal state and most people don’t look at hypnagogia with eyes open.

I don’t have all the details of your experience so its a bit hard for me to say if you slipped into a liminal space with your eyes closed. Might have been a lucid dream as it’s common to slip in and out of a lucid dream like that.

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It could be I guess maybe I was lucid just upon waking I forgot I was lucid… It’s the weirdest oddest sensation I’ve ever had dreaming though… Except maybe after surgery or in a hospital drugged setting…

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You must have discovered what dreams are. Shifts in AP.

To use a spiritual terminology, dreams = hallucinations.

U might be walking in daylight but still dreaming.

That’s what sorcerers do.

It’s like tripping on mushrooms.

The problem is that people are led to believe that hallucinations and dreams are not “real”.

They are literally more real.

You must have not even read the books.

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Not completely, I found this sub and have been more focused on wiki techniques than the books, it’s on my todo list but I’ve been focused more on spending my time dark room gazing, meditating in nature, looking for power stones when hiking w/ family, and reading other’s stories. I’m about halfway through book one.

Edit: and most of all…learning silence…which is a PITA.

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You’re picking up on how powerful, and leading, intent is. The lingering intent of the online material you were consuming directed as it were, what you experienced.

And how important a clean/clear intent is for predictable progress.

I’m happy that your aphantasia didn’t stand in the way!

We need to understand, as a group, how much of a counter-agent that is.

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I believe I have aphantasia as well. I dream, have occasionally lucid dreamed, and have had visions and generally “seen stuff” on psychedelics, but I seem to think in words, not pictures at all. I’ve heard practices like trataka (candle gazing, to get an after image, then holding that after image with your eyes closed as long as you can) will increase the ability to visualize, and many of the sorcery practices discussed here seem like they will help as well. I’m hopeful.

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That’s the most important one, regardless of which path you choose to follow.

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yeah i think more in words, feelings, senses. I can visualize but I have to really focus hard to keep it. So, I’m mild aphantasia (as I can visualize, just is difficult) compared to my wife who has zero imaging ability in her brain, and NO inner monologue… I don’t even know how thoughts form for her… but she’s very spontaneous, because thoughts don’t linger…how can they when they’re neither visual or monologue based?

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yeah my mind was rando-reading as I call it… where I’m ADHD just jumping on different topics/subs/interests without a “purpose” for the “hell of it”… happens more when my Vyvanse is wearing off at night lol.

Since I had not real “intent” my intent was more just probably subconsciously fed from my recent readings and thoughts around stuff I’d been reading… and formed some weird limbo-land dream between the stuff I’d been reading, but the in/out quick thing was really weird…

I’m excited for next week when I can really practice in a quiet house, without distractions from family, etc. Hopefully I can get further with a quiet distraction free environment so maybe when they come back I’ll be able to see/do more…

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Your assemblage point shifted, then it shifted back because you were disturbed, but it was still flexible enough to go back where you were enjoying it.

Just some warnings:

Don’t obsess over a single weird dream. It’s one of the bad player things. They collect single incidents they can portray as sorcery success, and spread them around on social media, so that they get what they really want: Attention from other people.

As a result, they will never learn sorcery.

We had one visit here recently. Posted a weird dream to get attention, everyone was polite, but then in private chat it turned out they had a series of things like that. Their “claims to fame”, and their goal was actually to come share them here. Not to learn sorcery.

They simply realized they’d get their butt kicked, but they were still saving their claims for when they figured out how to introduce them freely.

It was my famous “book deal mind”, but a variety I didn’t notice before.

A “book deal tour”.

We get lots of those in here! I don’t understand why I didn’t notice it before.

I suspect that person had gone elsewhere before, and gotten beat up.

Not saying you did that. You actually had some interesting phenomena there, going back and forth with a slight assemblage point movement.

Worthy of a question.

But the details of the dream are not. Those only become worthy when you can repeat the same dream on demand.

Also, be careful with the highly polluted topics such as Astral Travel, OBE, and Magick.

Those are unprotected territories. So like Castaneda style sorcery in the pretending community out there (not in the real thing), they’re filled to the brink with exaggerations and false claims.

And they have no reliable policing there, to fight off the nonsense.

So they seem like “systems” with rational steps you can take to learn them.

But they’re really just 99% book deal mind, with 1% interesting effect that doesn’t mean what they believe at all.

That’s all mixed with extremely bad “teaching” advice from male bullies, which would prevent learning sorcery if taken to heart.

It’s the lack of policing that draws people in.

First, because they know they can share their experience, and no one will call them out on it if it’s nonsense.

But more importantly, because they seem like complete “systems” or topics. They seem well known. Balanced. Ancient even.

So people get pissed off, if you point out the obvious. How dare you? It’s a valid, “system”.

Except it’s not.

I’d like to use an example someone mentioned to me yesterday, in seriousness.

But it’ll hurt someone’s feelings, and new people don’t deserve that for honest mistakes.

I’ll make up a story.

There are some indigenous natives on the Island of Taiwan.

They’re famous for selling their daughters for marriage to invading Europeans.

And for getting drunk. They’re laborers by choice, and don’t like office work.

But they have some very old shamanism.

In their form of shamanism, an entity called, “Bruce” rules the universe.

He has his minions, “Nancy”, and “Beverly”.

After a summoning ceremony Bruce materializes with giant wings, looming over whoever summoned him.

Nancy and Beverly show up to offer moon cakes to the audience, although since they’re spirits, the moon cakes can’t actually be eaten.

Every single one of the indigenous natives will tell you, they have seen all 3 figures.

I was in a bar drinking with some of the natives. The only white guy ever seen in that village I might add. It’s too deep in Asia to get tourists.

And in Asia, sorcery is not a weird topic. It’s discussed somewhat freely. If there’s any reservations, it’s because they’re Daoist influenced and believe spirits always harm you in the end.

They asked me how I reconciled that they reliably see Bruce and his minions, after doing a summoning ceremony. How can I explain that, since it doesn’t fit with my understanding of sorcery?

I explained that inorganic beings take on the appearance you expect.

One said, "Bro, we’ve all seen them! They’re always the same. They don’t change, like your type of spirits.

How can you explain that?"

I couldn’t.

But it was a false narrative. After studying them for years on the sly, I found out it’s very popular to make up Bruce stories. You get a lot of attention. And free drinks, their favorite.

I looked around trying to find a single account of a Bruce encounter that I could analyze, and could not.

They were all based on bad dreams, something that almost looked like Bruce, a hangover, and the closed nature of that society.

The idea that there was a stable phenomena was a false narrative which came into being, to get people more attention.

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I guess as a newbie to anything supernatural or more than the logical what I see world…

I’m interested in things with actual people claiming success in something outlandish…

I’m focused mostly on exploring this, and especially just dark room gazing and learning silence…

But I’m tangentially interested more from a “are you serious?” Psycho analytical nature about weird stuff like Tulpas, reality shifting that lasts days or weeks, and I’ve always been interested in astral projection but saw that as a way to see past this world which I think moving my assemblage point would be an alternate path to that…

Basically, I’m just interested in the claims intellectually… I’m a curious guy… I’ve spent hours just following wikipedia links across odd topics from corporatism to occult to chaos magick to crypto currency… Just tons of things…

My point really was I don’t think I’m a book writer… I’ve tried waiting books on politics, programming etc…I get a chapter or two and get distracted by the next big shiny thing.

My programming is like that too… Great idea for a SaaS app that will make it so I can retire early in like 80 percent through and decide there’s too much competition… Maybe I should scrap it…

I’m also known by friends and family as a pragmatic tech guy…I think if I jumped openly into promoting sorcery they’d have be committed. My wife isn’t just because she saw the same reality shifting crap I did lol and can’t explain it either.

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You’ll never get help from friends and family, in regards to sorcery.

That’s why don Juan told Carlos to leave his friends and family.

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Oh, I forgot to say.

You’ll do well. With the looking around thing.

Consider this: there’s absolutely nothing real out there.

NOTHING!!!

Except maybe Ingram and Shinzen, and maybe one or two no one brought here yet.

But if there’s any actual magic out there, someone would bring it here.

We gained 3000 people in the last year. So most of those you see on our count, are potential bringers of magic, if they find it. It’s not like they weren’t added her fairly recently.

And some might even bring magic on a web page here, just hoping it would cut me down to size if they found the real thing.

Punishment for making fun of Daoists for example.

So the real question is, if there’s nothing out there, why are there so many web pages claiming there are many?

Why do all the phony gurus survive, and even become rich?

Because none of their followers had the common sense to look around.

I mean, if someone tells you a guy can do magic, how hard is it to see if any of his students learned?

Who cares what he says, unless he has high res videos from multiple angles, proving his claims?

Which is nearly impossible for sorcery, since it’s mostly in the second attention.

And if they did actually teach someone cool magic, how hard is it to find where you can talk to them?

If it’s just one, check out if he’s trying out for the teachers replacement on death.

A guru with students who learned actual magic, is not going to ban them from freely discussing it with each other, to get tips. Real magic creates excitement.

And, how hard is it to see why the Guru is motivated?

Does he have workshops, books, videos, and does he sit on a little throne accepting gold and jewels?

Does he sell yoga franchises?

But no one ever looks.

If you’re looking, you’ll do well.

It’s the old “seek and you shall find”.

Except, everyone who quotes that overlooks the “seek” part.