You Can Only Learn Sorcery Through Sorcery

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Good chance I’m in your bad player sights. Or getting there.

For what it’s worth, the confusion is pretty genuine from my side. I consume a fair bit of cannabis but only in the evenings or my off time. I try to do my gazing in the morning or right after work to keep it as clean as possible. Even then, there is still a lot in my system as it accumulates over many months.

It has taken time (and outside observation/feedback from yourself and others) to really realize that I am getting to see some things without the SHEAR amount of silence normally required. This is a very recent realization. You are initially (totally) blind to that when you have some power plant assistance. You see stuff, it’s exciting. A while back I had a real sense it was a crutch, but that was only when actively high/stoned. I mean at that point it is blatantly obvious when you can’t even control it. Certainly now even when I am “sober”, it doesn’t take a lot of effort to get puffs. It distorts your perspective.

I’m genuinely interested in continuing. I do have a personality predisposition to share “knowledge” for attention. Its not a great set of characteristics for the situation here, but it’s becoming more visible the more work I put in. I will continue to read your posts and question myself..

Ignorance, essentially.

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I wish Cholita would recover from her madness. We could turn her into the Olmec version of Xu.

Cholita’s father was pure Olmec.

Her mother, pure Spanish.

I was curious how she knew he was pure Olmec, and looked it up.

There’s no awareness of that in the general population.

At least I could not find any.

Carlos must have told her that. But from facial attributes, it seems to be true. Cholita herself has the Olmec ears, which in Buddhism represent a tendency to gain wealth.

A single visit from Cholita’s double with Minx the demon in tow, would send Miguel Ruiz to a catholic church to confess, and convert.

I don’t find her scary, but imagine a witch floating 1 foot off the ground, her arms extended like a demonic avenger, glowing in a very bright green. As bright as a 60W light bulb if you look into it.

She floats along, and Minx is following her.

She stops, and Minx rises to the ceiling, transforms into the most horrible Zombie you could imagine, and stretches towards you to start feeding.

That’s just sport for Cholita.

But in fact, Minx is a bit shy when Cholita isn’t around.

Noisy, but reclusive.

For the first 20 years after Carlos introduced us to Little Smoke and Devil’s Weed, the Devil’s Weed entity always hid behind little smoke, in the waking world.

In the dreaming world, he’s very aggressive.

It’s something about waking energy that’s too much for him. But he’s fine with dreaming energy.

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Cannabis won’t stop you from learning.

It’s closer to the bad effect of the “warriors way” delusion.

Doesn’t hurt anything, as long as it’s not stopping you from doing hard work to learn silence.

You’ll just get “dull puffs”.

But it gets you to the green line much faster. Even with no effort!

Shrooms on the other hand, damage you.

But not so fast you can’t overcome any grateful dead concerts you did when younger.

At worst, if you try hard to do J curving, it’ll just get you stuck in the red zone. And Cholita has shown, there are ways around that. Juann even found them on his own.

Silent knowledge is only achieved through silence, that’s the problem with being in stuck in the red zone because of excessive drugs.

BUT, shrooms are like Astral Travel.

They create “entitled” bad players.

Those never put in any work to actually learn, and get very angry when you point out they aren’t doing sorcery.

They believe sorcery is just weird stuff happening.

And they get very weird stuff.

So they’re stuck with their belief they already “made it”.

I have no idea what astral travelers are thinking.

They’re so angry, everyone is afraid to ask them for details.

It’s like a snarling little dog, bearing it’s teeth.

You don’t get in their face and ask, “Hey little Dog, what’s wrong?”

They snap at your nose!

What I’d like to ask them is, how often do you really do this???

What makes you think that’s enough to go all the way? Or do you even know where this leads?

And how do you know it’s not just a nightmare you decided to misrepresent to get attention in a subreddit?

How come you have to close your eyes and likely fall asleep, to do that?

All that is off limits once someone thinks they’ve been “astral traveling”.

Some might pull a “Superior Buddhist calmness” on you, and hide how angry they’re getting, but it leaks out enough for everyone to be afraid of them.

I used to know a famous Zen master who would invite the audience to ask pointed questions.

But if you actually did, he looked like that famous Charly Weaver doll whose face turns red, and smoke comes from his ears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaAB9g6yfU8&t=1m37s

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Good to know! I’ll keep putting the focus on extreme silence and be aware of the “easy pass to the green zone”. You’ve mentioned that before with cannabis, but it takes a while to really click when you are actually going through it with DRG. Some distortion to work through for sure.

I have definitely seen the shroom entitlement. My wife did some last week (I passed). The ego trip is insane!!! And I know it has happened to me in the past the same way. Very distasteful to watch actually. Like a child in a high chair.

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You made me realize, maybe power plants push the assemblage point to a fixed location.

Meaning, they don’t “push it along the J curve” like a tail wind.

They have a specific destination in mind.

So shrooms get you to the deep red zone, and slightly to the right or left.

I haven’t tried them so I don’t know if it’s left or right, but I suspect to the right.

Since they push you to there, you then can’t go up the front.

And if someone could splash your face with magic water and move you back up to the green, you’d inevitably go down to the red again. To their “spot”.

Whereas cannabis moves you to the green line, and slightly left.

It isn’t such a strong pull that you can’t escape it to go further down into the red.

And then up the front.

BUT, it’s a continuous force trying to move you back to the green, where the puffs are dull and vague.

So even if you get down to the red zone (judged by the blackness swirling things around), the puffs are dull.

From partying with young women, I can tell you it has virtually no effect once the assemblage point goes up the front, and won’t prevent getting to silent knowledge.

However, it might have an interesting side effect.

It might make it easier for IOBs to manifest well, in the orange zone.

Because it “harkens back” to the green zone where they first become visible for most people.

Later, we should map all of these out!

But we’ll need a very good seer, and several test subjects who like to get high but aren’t rabid like running crazy guy.

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That sounds very possible. It reminds me of a “shamanic” description that said you get pulled into the plant consciousness directly. So wherever that consciousness exists/lives on the J curve, where that plant is perceiving reality primarily, that could be the anchor point to round out the theory. Don’t know if that’s actually true just something I heard.

I’d definitely be a future test subject. Will be easier once I can get further down more reliably (silent).

I think right or left is probably up to you. Like having a good or bad trip. But there may be a starting point or position.

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The Men of Knowledge seemed to believe that about the plant spirits.

But we know that’s because they couldn’t see, and relied on rituals.

The IOBs don’t live where the plants exist!

Little Smoke is from 46 billion light years away.

As explained by Carlos!

The shrooms are not what brings her here. It’s us.

But shamanism must be void of actual seers. Probably part of don Juan’s “scores of people all over Mexico who follow the old ways, but have no understanding”.

Because if there were any native American shamans with the type of power the Olmecs did, everyone would have heard about it.

That would be too cool to keep secret!

But instead, the shamans I’ve run into behave like typical bad players who’s pretending is exposed. Their heads explode.

If someone accused me of not being able to do what the old Olmecs did, I’d just point to pictures and how to instructions.

I wouldn’t get angry about it.

Anger = fraud

Not to say you can’t get annoyed with trolls. They ignore any evidence.

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plants are like street sign to certain AP position.

any plant, not just what we call power plants.

i am still trying to figure out the difference between plant spirit and iobs that appear at that certain ap position.

there must be plant mold like human mold. it will seep through in time.

new players think that plant spirit is communicating with them. and then they act with utmost importance and right, cause it was plant spirit.

i just tell them, ok ill wisper a number to your plant spirit and then when he speaks with you, you tell me what it is.

mostly it is just their internal dialogue fantasizing. sometimes it can be dreaming emissary, that cannot tell you nothing you know already. this was the reason i blocked them way back when they started to speak to me. i realized they were telling me everything i already know, so i labeled it as my imagination pulling tricks on me. now i allow them in special occasion, they need permission.

the ancient way of learning ap positions from plants does not include tripping your balls off. quite the contrary. you isolate yourself, and drink the plant that has no psychotropic effect, like tree bark. cut the salt, oil, and sugar. after weeks or months, you start seeing and talking with iobs. they appear right in front of you during daylight or in the middle of the night. ancient name in the jungle for them was geniuses, by spanish/indian descendants. if you don’t get scared, slowly they teach you and you get aquinted with them. they teach you songs in second attention, that you can sing to move the ap of yourself and your client, so iob can work on him.

isolation and diet cuts the fixation of ap in the blue line. over time it increases your personal power. something happens with your dreaming double as well, but i don’t know what exactly.

so shamans, when they heal they dont take plants. work mostly with tobacco. and ap songs. tobacco is good for intending for some reason.

new players and shamans that cater to them are just taking people for a journey. move their ap like crazy, they experience stuff. later go home. you can also go to bali, similar effect.

also, there are only stories about old shamans. shipibo tradition calls them murayah. mestizo ( spanish descendants mixed with indians) called them banco.

those were people that could enter other worlds, and see and talk with spirits all the time, without any need for a plant. they would go for years to other worlds to study. nowadays, you can’t find them. society influence i guess fixed the position too much on the blue line even for them. although, they are always one foot deep you can feel it when you live in the tribes.

some plants are known to allow you to learn from other plants. they, in short, relax your AP fixation.

one of them is tobacco.

sad is that shamans have no knowledge on how things work. they do have contacts eith iobs, and for some their personal power is strong. what we have over there, is mostly watered down technology. but a part of that is still relevant, once you look it through olmec eyes.

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How are the Shipibo related to Shabono, Florinda’s book?

Pretty women they have in that tribe!

They must have cocoa trees with orchids growing in them, since Surinam is right near by.

When I want to buy viable chocolate seeds, that’s the easiest place.

They have to still be wet or they don’t grow.

If you study Olmec history even a little, you come across some odd connection between Mexico and Peru, in that regards.

With the rainforest in between.

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haven’t read Florinda’s book yet.

why do you need cacao plants?

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What if someone was to say that drugs brought them to this thread and to Carlos Castaneda? In fact drugs showed them what sorcery was in the first place. Say this path in general was sparked by a vision someone had on drugs… I’m not understanding how you can say certain drugs can’t help with knowledge. Also. You do understand Don Juan was a fictional character correct?

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For a woman of course.

But then I learned, just head for San Diego, and there’s an exotic plant nursery.

Of course, decades later even Home Depot had cocoa plants.

And they don’t make pods where I live.

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It would mean someone is totally clueless, and needs to start reading more in here.

No, don Juan was not fictional.

By my count, we have 8 eye witnesses to don Juan.

Go read in the wiki!

Tony Karim, the Buddhist leader, is probably one that people have the hardest time ignoring.

But the others are all real people who met him.

Why are you here anyway?

Go get high elsewhere.

But please keep in mind. You are harmful to other people, who might have a chance to learn real magic.

You’ll kill their chances, if they listen to you much.

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I have to add something.

WE DON’T WANT MORE PEOPLE TO COME HERE!

You’re very confused.

No one makes any money in here.

Thus, no welcome committee.

You’re used to greed and deception, like they have in other “systems”.

It’s because each new person is a revenue source.

Or because the system is all make believe, and they want more “friends” to share with.

Since they don’t actually get any magic out of it.

Even if you go into a subreddit and the mods don’t earn a living that way, they’re still entirely tainted with profit motive, just because of the systems they belong to.

If there was a button I could push, so that the only people in here were the ones who actually want to learn real sorcery, and pushing the button dumped 4400 from here, I’d push it.

People like you only suck up energy and never actually put in any effort.

In fact, you even pissed on the place to mark your territory!

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i have with me pure raw cacao chocolate that I brought from the jungle. let me know, and i can dhl it with express. maybe it lures cholita out :slight_smile:

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Raw won’t grow, it has to be wet. Even shipping times are an issue.

I think the pods are supposed to fall, wild animals start feasting, fight, drag it away, and only the uneaten seeds less than a week old will sprout.

There must be some reason for that.

Lure Cholita out?

She’s vanished for sure.

There’s a decent pile of cash on her desk. And a replacement driver’s license. She lost the other while pretending to be a guest at an expensive hotel, lounging around the swimming pool. A common Cholita trick I suppose.

She’s not even driving to get the cash.

Could sneak in while I’m not home if she wanted.

I suspect Carlos’ “protect Cholita” plan #2 activated.

She was the type of being who’s double is “right there” sometimes, so very valuable to real sorcerers who can perceive it.

Carlos went out of his way to make me aware of that type of being.

I’ve run into 2 of those, with Cholita being the second.

Cholita is a very serious woman. Always so serious, people were afraid of her back in private classes.

Carlos grabbed her from the peyote fields using one of his oldest sorcery friends, set up a phony business, or had a left over one from don Juan’s business, and embedded her in it.

Then didn’t let her go to private classes much. Used those to blackmail her into behavior modifications.

And someone seems to have drilled her on stalking.

I’m only now seeing it as a result of researching things like, “abstract” in the books.

Someone even taught her some anti-social stalking skills, for when you need to survive and anything goes.

There’s a very outlandish explanation for where Cholita is, but it’s the kind of thing that makes your head explode (in a good way) if it’s true.

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if she comes suddenly, asking for that special chocolate, let me know :joy:

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Cholita never talks to me anymore, unless there’s a problem with her car or something similar.

She used to before her madness took over completely, which is why I have so many Cholita stories.

But that was more than a year ago. Maybe longer.

And if I buy her favorite chocolates, I find them in the garbage, unopened.

Along with a particular nasty spell designed to trap me if I reach to the bottom and try remove the unopened box of chocolates.

For her birthday I got her some orchids in a vase, a bottle of sangria imported from Italy, and a stack of cash.

She tossed the orchids under my bed, broke the vase to form a sharp dagger, and positioned it under my heart on the bed.

Then she dumped the entire bottle of sangria on my mattress.

It was because the bottle said, “Blood”. She took the cash to be compensation for what I was going to do to her.

Sometimes she used to hallucinate that I had blood dripping from the sides of my mouth and was getting ready to eat babies later on, according to the protocols of Zion.

In cahoots with the free masons, for whom I was working.

(Carlos held a class at the free masons).

The inorganic beings in the house were all visible to Cholita, making matters even worse. She took it that I had them there to harass her.

It’s only her double that will interact with me pleasantly.

Which is certainly enough reason to value her living in your home! Where do you get to see don Juan level magic right in your face, these days?

I fear someone kidnapped her for that purpose.

Just before she disappeared, I got a weird email. Addressed to 2 people, of whom I was one.

It seemed to be addressed to me “by mistake” because the other guy had the same first name as me.

Then when I went to investigate the email a week later, thinking I knew who the addressee was, it was gone from my cellphone.

I’m hoping she’s with the left over members of the old lineage.

But they’d be terribly old now.

Honestly, I can’t imagine anyone else putting up with her craziness.

Which includes an occasional attempted murder.

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i have 70 cacao plants germinating, but for a friend who has terrain in the jungle.

best way i guess is to go and fetch it yourself. keep it with you in plane.

that’s how i brought other plants with me, they are still doing good.

or send a courier

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They sell 5 year old ones at that nursery near San Diego.

70??? I’m jealous.

Does peyote grow there?

You can get those in Thailand. By mail.

I got 3 nice ones for Cholita, but when I suggested she could put them in her cactus garden, she was horrified.