What is the goal/result of this path as you view it? Does it involve the potential for law-of-physics-breaking magical power?

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The puffs are parts of your double, you can see the double as something similar to the concept of an “astral body”. Your double travels in dreams constantly, so when you grab puffs you are seeing those dreams

Ok. Several questions: why is the astral body dispersed into puffs at first? Are puffs equal to inorganic beings (question rooted in the first image here: /t/gamer/5209 which shows inorganic being ping pong and the illustration looks like a color puff - if they aren’t the same how do you tell the difference?)

Does this ‘astral’/‘dream’ body/puffs/IOBs eventually translate back into waking life somehow? Is there a description of when on the path that happens and what that looks like? I think I’ve seen the expression dreaming awake around here. How do you get to that point and what does it involve? Is that where real magical phenomena affecting physical objects emerges?

Finally, the purpose of the puff thing is to shift your AP to a point where you can interact with inorganic beings. Once you can do that, everything opens up to you

Why does everything open up once you can interact with inorganic beings?

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Did you take a look through the Menu at all?

Yep, I spent several hours reading stuff before I made this post. :slight_smile:

More like you become more and more aware of what’s all around you already, by letting go of the awareness of yourself and bringing in the awareness of these other energy fields known as the “emanations” through a tremendous effort of silent focus and other practices designed to loosen the hold of the habitual location on your assemblage point, breaking the chains that hold you down I suppose.

Would you be willing to explain emanations with an example, or provide a link to an explanation of emanations with an example or two so I can make sense of how you would recognize it?

It’s about awareness, and what forms what we call “reality”. It’s about dreaming, learning to control your dreaming body, and ultimately being able to make use of it in this realm. A being of ultimate power.

Makes sense. The part I’m not familiar with is the ‘being able to make use of it in this realm’ part. How does one cultivate that? I’ve got a basic sense, conceptually, of the puff gathering and moving practices to build dream body and such in dark room practices. How, as this develops, does it reconnect with non-dark room practices? Or if you’d rather is there a link to places that discuss this more in depth?

Along they way you make friends with beings from other energetic planes, or get scared to death by them perhaps first, experience expanded consciousness states and other transcendent types of experiences, explore dreaming in a pragmatic way, all through cleaning your link to Intent, or removing all the layers of shit that prevent you from commanding it to the greatest extent possible for the continuation of your journey through the universe. That’s the goal anyway, or die trying.

So the puff practices are about ‘cleaning your link to Intent’? Is this somehow related then to bringing the practices back into regular life in the form of psychic powers and such, even if not exactly in the form normally understood? Once your intent is clean, it is no longer constrained by ordinary thinking and can accomplish greater more potent (including physics breaking magic) things?

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Ok, first things first the double is not an “astral body.” I only used that to relate it to a concept you are probably familiar with.

The double is fragmented because our intent is fragmented, our intent isnt clear. As i said before, inorganic beings like to hang out on puffs, so when you play the ping pong game they can come forward.

The difference is this: treat puffs like small worlds. Inorganic being slile to hang out on them.

Waking dreaming is the act of entering a dream one of the puffs is showing, while still awake. This is red zone stuff, when physics and reality as we know it really begins to fall apart.

All of this is done while awake, you are literally walking around ur room doing all of this with ur eyes open.

The reason why everything opens up is because once u find an inorganic being, and you make them your ally, you can ask them for the next step. They will assist you in your goals. You probably wont need help from us here very much if u succeed at this.

To make an inorgaic being your ally you can do one of two things:
One, physically try to wrestle it and pin it until it submits to you or…

Two, try to force it to take a different shape with your will. If you can do that it will become your ally. It is expected early on that one can do so, as you can see on the j curve map, but it is not an easy task, atleast it wasnt for me

Dont obsess with learning as much ab this as possible before practicing, as it can result in you developing too much mental “inventory” which isnt very helpful in the end

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Ok, first things first the double is not an “astral body.” I only used that to relate it to a concept you are probably familiar with.

Understood. Thanks

The double is fragmented because our intent is fragmented, our intent isnt clear. As i said before, inorganic beings like to hang out on puffs, so when you play the ping pong game they can come forward.

The difference is this: treat puffs like small worlds. Inorganic being slile to hang out on them.

Interesting, this makes sense, thanks. So puffs can be looked into and are their own whole worlds. I’m with you so far

Waking dreaming is the act of entering a dream one of the puffs is showing, while still awake. This is red zone stuff, when physics and reality as we know it really begins to fall apart.

All of this is done while awake, you are literally walking around ur room doing all of this with ur eyes open.

Cool thanks. I still have a conception of either entering a puff-dream (in which case you stop being in the waking room) or saying in the waking room and the puff-dream remains an object in it you can look at. Does that binary get dissolved somehow? Do these exploring these puff-dreams and meeting inorganic beings somehow affect your ability to affect the ordinary world with intent as you progress (does this result in the normal world becoming more ‘dream-like’ maybe?)?

Dont obsess with learning as much ab this as possible before practicing, as it can result in you developing too much mental “inventory” which isnt very helpful in the end

Understood. My only goal now is to understand the basics of the path and the results, and the relation between the path and the results. I don’t want to walk a path until I know how and where it’s taking me. Once I have that understanding, I’m fine to walk a path I’m interested in without over-thinking every step. But there’s a lot of paths out there, so one has to use discretion in distinguishing them.

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Alr, so although u can just look into puffs, if u look for too long u sorta just “enter” it? Idk how else to describe it. The normal world doesnt become more dream like, its more that u have the energy stored to do weird stuff with it. Have you ever read the carlos castaneda books? They go into a ton of detail ab the specifics and show just how absolutely crazy things can get. I highly recommend u read all of them, as they are the basis of this whole practice anyway

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Alr, so although u can just look into puffs, if u look for too long u sorta just “enter” it? Idk how else to describe it.

That makes sense to me

The normal world doesnt become more dream like, its more that u have the energy stored to do weird stuff with it.

Interesting - how do you wield this energy? Do we normally wield this energy but don’t realize it and its all caught up in normal-life-self-thinking? What would it feel like to wield this energy in the physical world or in a dream world (puff)? Is wielding this energy in the physical world then related to the puff practices? I think this is my main remaining question.

Have you ever read the carlos castaneda books? They go into a ton of detail ab the specifics and show just how absolutely crazy things can get. I highly recommend u read all of them, as they are the basis of this whole practice anyway

I’ve read the Art of Dreaming a long time ago but that’s it. I’m definitely open to reading them but it’s a lot so just wanting to make sure its worth it.

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I think you spent several hours searching for how to get psychic powers and didn’t find anything, so you made this post. I’m telling you that’s not here. That’s clearly all you want to know, but I don’t think anyone is far enough along here to truly answer that for you.

You know most “psychics” have an inorganic being telling them what’s what, or it’s the voice of seeing. You’ll experience both on this path.

It’s not psychic powers, it’s the second attention.

You really haven’t read anything, you just want so badly for someone to tell you how to get psychic powers here.

If you’re talking about telekinesis, there’s stories of that in here.

If you read the books you’d know more about the double and start the get an inkling of how powerful it is, how powerful sorcerers are.

You’re asking for someone to cole’s notes all of the books and this entire forum for you so you can understand and no one will.

Read or don’t, but no one is going to come in here and tell you how to get psychic powers, and this will be my last response here

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You know most “psychics” have an inorganic being telling them what’s what, or it’s the voice of seeing. You’ll experience both on this path.

Sure, I’m using psychic here to basically mean the same thing as sorcery because its my background. I don’t disagree with what you’ve said here.

It’s not psychic powers, it’s the second attention.

Yes, absolutely, I’m just trying understand if the second attention as developed in dark room practices eventually re-connects with the physical world, that’s all. With techniques such as telekinesis.

You really haven’t read anything, you just want so badly for someone to tell you how to get psychic powers here.

I admit I’ve only read ‘The Art of Dreaming’ and spent several hours on the sidebar. I was hoping to ask some questions to determine if this is worth my time to stick around and read and develop. Please don’t misunderstand, I don’t distrust you or anyone here and have no reason to doubt your experiences. It’s just that there are many many traditions out there that make claims and if one is wise one must try to figure out the viability of a path before walking it, otherwise you might end up on a treacherous path going no where.

If you’re talking about telekinesis, there’s stories of that in here.

Really!?! Fantastic, that’s exactly what I’m looking for. Hopefully I’ll stumble upon them as I continue to read some things here.

this will be my last response here

Fair enough. I wish you success in your endeavors and happiness along the way

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