Well, it seems that no one in here has reached the heights of don Juan’s capabilities. At best, it seems that some practitioners are on an intermediate level, let’s say on half of the way of CC’s apprenticeship. I haven’t read that anyone has actually seen the “grid” of life or went in ancient past to experience everyday life or met someone similar to death defier. Regardless of all of that, you are right, I (not only me but everyone else as well) should be focusing on practice instead of reading complacently. Cheers
Ah, okay — now I get you! I don’t think such a unified understanding of Olmec history exists, either inside or outside this community, since I believe there’s still a lot of archaeological research needed before we can reach any real consensus about it…
In the meantime… we’ve got this incredible technology! So we can study, theorize, and debate — but I also think we could try for some “visits to other times” or “conferences” about it in Silent Knowledge…
this reads like AI (US-style chirpy ingratiation ect…)
OP “hallucinates” in a reply below
“Of course, among the maya there was The Book of Suyua.”
Wtf and why do people on this sub seem to love AI so much?
because its AI generated bs
I don’t know where you’ve been, since Dan recently posted about the Olmec place: (/t/olmec-remote-viewing/4601).
At the beginning, many of us needed to abandon the “people-search” approach, replacing it with the “search for magic.”
Once you understand that, you dedicate yourself to the practice — because you stop asking, “Who can do it?” and start saying: “I want to do it!"
Good luck with your practice!
always funny to see people converse with AI slop though
There’s very little Toltec/Olmec info. Most of what we do know comes from CC, OR what i know comes from CC and this sub.
Man…..SK! You’re right. Through which possibilities are endless.
Could be like Zuleica’s harp strumming technique, he’s strumming the place of the 2nd attention spot? Just in a different way, maybe with the palms facing the stomach, I’ve no idea, but just wondering…
I like the sculpture of the chacmool (least I think it’s a chacmool) she turned her head 90 degrees and has a bowl on her stomach. I reckoned the bowl was a bit like those silence stones and you can hear the inner sound easy when your head is at 90 degrees.
I binge watched a number of videos by Sr. Artemio Solis, (aka Calpulli Moxicuentla) and couple of women , and they showed one of the passes for inner silence from the westwood series - the one where you massage part of the index finger with part of the thumb; except they nested that movement into a bunch of rituals involving some goddess.
It’s true that they were so stuck in the ritual that they ‘forgot’ the real magical pass.
Otherwise, if you speak spanish, but want to hear modern day Nahuatl language; these folk from Milpa Alta will not disappoint.
They seemed to be immersed in rituals that are wayy yyyy too steeped in Tenoch…
but interesting to watch what they have to say & sadly sometimes they make comparisons to ‘chakras’ which kind of turns me off a bit.
Interesting. The figurine looks to me like a shape-shift into a bat, for which the assemblage point has descended into the deep red zone…
The Chacmool, present from Tula to Chichén Itzá, seems to me like an “offering intermediary”, though I suppose that bowl could hold many different things…
I think you’re right, cos I read that somewhere else on this sub. I just couldn’t get why the Chacmool’s head is turned so far.
I asked ChatGPT what it thinks about it — look what it says:
1. Archaeological and Ritual Perspective
In most sculptures, the Chacmool’s head is turned almost 90 degrees relative to the body, as if it were glancing sideways at the viewer or toward the altar. Archaeologists from INAH and UNAM suggest that this had ritual or functional purposes:
· Watching over the altar or the sacrifice: the reclining figure may have been looking toward the temple or the priest, that is, toward the direction from which the offering came.
· Symbol of transition: by turning its head, the figure breaks the frontal axis of the human body, marking an intermediate state between the earthly and the spiritual worlds. It doesn’t look forward (toward life) nor completely backward (toward death); it gazes sideways — toward the threshold.
· Dialogue with the sky or the underworld: depending on the orientation, the gaze might be directed toward the horizon or the heavens, as if the figure were a guardian watching for something invisible to arrive.
2. Energetic or “Sorcery” Perspective
From a Castaneda energetic point of view, that neck twist immediately resonates:
· The turned head suggests a break from ordinary attention, the precise moment when the assemblage point shifts and perception opens to the unknown.
· It’s the body posture of dreaming or deep recapitulation, when the physical body remains suspended between wakefulness and sleep.
· Looking sideways or into backlight is a way of seeing from the second attention, perceiving energy directly rather than through interpretation.
We should be both practicing and reading.
We don’t have a senior sorcerer whispering the secrets of the universe into our ear, or shifting our assemblage point, so we must (methodically!) drill the teachings into our own skulls with our repeated efforts.
And part of that work is a cognitive restructuring against the narratives we’ve all been taught since youth.
First, the artwork is beautiful. Second, you have done a nice tracing of the evolution of the nagual, of the tonal of the times.
Sorry for late replay, busy week, yes formal and independent study because formal can only take you so far unfortunately. I cannot do anything, nor have any interest in doing anything for anyone that doesn’t question the narratives handed down by our society, I am curious, I wanna sharpen my intellect as well as my free perception, I have no problem in trying to do both. You can be a sorcerer with studies, but you can’t be a sorcerer with fear. Don’t be afraid of learning.
Yes, I have it in paper if you are really interested I can scan as much as I can, is in mayan and spanish, but I assume any program now can translate from image, send me message if you really want it. I also have some facsimile.
I am truly afraid for the future of humanity, we will soon retrocede to the intellect of a rodent…
Thank you for your appreciation, but that is a common misunderstanding, the knowledge in the books of Carlos is not Toltec tradition, or any tradition for that matter, not in the sense we know it. Don Juan actually made it clear that his teachings are not pertinent to any ethnic group, is why it was so easy for Carlos’s detractors to attack him, because in his first books he made emphasis on the Yaqui, then they started to attack him, saying there is no such tradition between Yaquis, the matter is a bit more complex and requires some pretty strong historical study to be able to place the nuclear zone of the teachings in some point of time and space, is a work in progress 
Will share some more nuggets from my findings soon, glad it helped!
Thank you for your kind appreciation!