Tata is a 110yrs now. Still claiming he is and isnt DJM. There’s a more recent interview with him on YT. He shows a hunch of notebooks with doodles and scribbles and says, these are my writings and only I can understand them.
He’s not 110. They just lied about his age early on, to give him some credibility
It’s an old trick often used in India, by con artist Yogis.
And wasn’t Tata just a Mexican? We even know his real name.
The Joni Mitchell web site explains the story.
Doesn’t seem likely he’d be allowed in the Yaqui land. In fact, as I recall, the Yaquis denounced him.
Also keep in mind, don Juan met Carlos down in Vicam, Mexico.
NOT in Arizona.
There’s 2 large Yaqui populations. Arizona, and Vicam.
To trick readers, Carlos said it was Arizona.
And if Tata was pretending he visited with the Yaquis, it’s almost surely the Arizona ones.
Carlos actually wrote that he never managed to visit the Arizona ones, and don Juan said it was because they were so bitter from the Yaqui wars, that if a new leader came along, they’d even sabotage themselves to make it fail.
And certainly wouldn’t welcome any outsiders.
So be careful what you read out there.
However, there is one odd story about Tata using the same herb store in Los Angeles, as Carol Tiggs uses.
Trouble with that story is, there were a few among our own community who wanted Kachora to be the real thing.
So they could go around saying, “I have a benefactor”.
Tata’s evil handlers cashed in on that ugly desire, and were selling apprenticeships.
lol - i should’ve known better. I just fell for the oldest Indian trick in the book, literally, believing Tata is 110 
I sometimes get distracted in the mystery of CC and DJM the humans. When I’m supposed to be distracted by the mystery of the practice…..Doh!
***“There are two ways of seeing the mold of man,” don Juan began as soon as we sat down. “You can see it as a man or you can see it as a light. That depends on the shift of the assemblage point. If the shift is lateral, the mold is a human being. If the shift is in the midsection of man’s band, the mold is a light. The only value of what you’ve done today is that your assemblage point shifted in the midsection.”
He said that the position where one sees the mold of man is very close to that where the dreaming body and the barrier of perception appear. That was the reason the new seers recommend that the mold of man be seen and understood.
Those aren’t particularly difficult positions to reach.
Which is what I’ve been theorizing, since I saw “God” perhaps 10 years ago, and even regularly visited heaven.
Fully awake of course.
Doesn’t count if you dream it.
It’s also a good passage to explain how the Allies get us involved in crazy realistic stuff, whereas over time, we lose the concreteness of them.
Aside from the orange zone not being as “realistic” as the red zone, there’s that lateral shift.
The more you practice darkroom, the less your assemblage point shifts horizontally at a given depth.
I suppose the lateral shifts are mostly just because you aren’t familiar with a new level (such as deep red zone), and have no sense of how to perceive that well. So you can get lured to shift far sideways and end up in very bizarre phantom worlds, with a very realistic Ally teaching you about what you are seeing.
But if you’ve been there over and over, perhaps it’s a bit like having a yearly pass to Disneyland.
The first few times you go on your favorite rides, but if you went everyday, you might end up discovering that they serve wine in the restaurant above the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. So you go hang out with your friends and don’t go on the crazy rides nearly as much.
For beginners, here’s a picture of what don Juan was saying. It’s very difficult to visualize all the stuff in the books, UNTIL you get to see it with your own eyes.
then it all starts to be so internal consistent, you realize that what Carlos said when asked if he made it all up, is very true.
He said, “I couldn’t have made it up! I’m not that intelligent.”
Anyone know if “the barrier of perception” = “the wall of fog”?
There’s “NO barrier of perception” as far as I know.
We’ve proven that. And Carlos never mentioned it in private classes.
It’s got to be some lineage teaching aid, which is precisely what the “wall of fog” was.
A creation of Silvio Manuel perhaps. And a side effect of using the Nagual’s blow to move your assemblage point.
Too bad Cholita despises me, or we could make our own “teaching aids”.
Her phantom copy of our home!
We could call it “Casa de Fantasmas”.
And Minx could be “Niño Fantasma”.
Both appear pretty much at the same place as the wall of fog.
The moment of perceptual blankness is the barrier of perception:
He explained that when the assemblage point is moving away from its customary position and reaches a certain depth, it breaks a barrier that momentarily disrupts its capacity to align emanations. We experience it as a moment of perceptual blankness. The old seers called that moment the wall of fog, because a bank of fog appears whenever the alignment of emanations falters.
He said that there were three ways of dealing with it. It could be taken abstractly as a barrier of perception; it could be felt as the act of piercing a tight paper screen with the entire body; or it could be seen as a wall of fog.
So it’s just “blanking out” when the assemblage point moves too far, too fast.
Honestly, it seems like a Nagual’s blow side effect to me.
And where would you put your “wall of fog”?
Between the green zone, and the start of the red zone?
At the bottom, on the way up the front to the orange zone?
Maybe it’s that tunnel in the J curve diagram.
No but since you’re asking about words, I’ve been wondering about the phrase “throw it at the wall and see what sticks”. It’s a pretty common prhase, I wonder if it came from sorcery?
AIs can usually answer such questions.
ChatGPT: from an older proverb: “Throw enough mud at the wall, and some of it will stick.”
Gemini: It has two main origin stories: one rooted in a kitchen myth and the other in mid-century business culture.
The “Spaghetti Test” (The Literal Origin)
Madison Avenue Advertising (The Figurative Origin)
In the 1950s and 60s, the phrase became a staple of American corporate slang, specifically within the high-pressure world of advertising agencies (the “Mad Men” era).
Grok: Said pretty much the same and drew this without asking. Careful of Grok. The man might be naked in it’s 8th rendition of the same picture.
