That’s the “no self” effect of the orange zone. Naturally that produces sobriety! No self to defend. No greed. No fear. No pain.
Of course, that’s the ideal. Pain is very hard to overcome without “jumping grooves” which is a deep purple zone activity.
Even Carlos couldn’t do that on demand.
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“Or someone could create one, where the main goals are light body, switching to your double, shapeshifting, escaping through portals, and viewing a few seconds into the future.”
These are already created in Richard Clear’s martial arts in Tennessee. All in push hands with no physical force. No internal dialogue. There is also speed where you can track your opponents thoughts which seem very slow and you can react in the time gap between when he decides to move and actually moves.
A surprising number of participants are also involved in healing.
Unfortunately the really cool stuff is too dangerous to practice. And a rule is that you never demonstrate anything outside class.
On occasion someone flys across the room and crashes into the wall but it’s accidental. Frowned on
Nothing like dark room though.
I mean it kinda sounds like Bullshido from what you’ve just wrote? Techniques that are “to dangerous to practise” starting to sound like one of those phony teachers. Are you saying you’ve trained with this guy?
There’s a bunch of martial arts schools which claim they can teach such things, but no one actually can ever do them…
That’s precisely why I studied at 15 studios. Looking for one where they could actually do anything magical.
Found none.
You sure are easily fooled!
Hwa Rang Do is one such school. I studied with them back in the 1970s.
But no one could do any of the “advanced” techniques they had. They just listed them at the door to lure people, but then no one actually believed any of it.
Which included shapeshifting, light body, and step by step teleportation similar to what some of the native american tribes here claimed.
Running at 500 mph by taking really long steps.
It’s like a religion, that’s all. Quite a bit is traceable to existing Chinese religions which also never work.
And how they claim you learn to do such things, makes no sense at all.
There’s no real technique. Just “hope” and seemingly unrelated procedures.
Could be they learned that no one will actually make an effort.
So you can always get away with making up a technique that doesn’t do anything, as long as it’s somewhat inconvenient.
Because no one will seriously try.
There’s my teacher, +60 pounds.
I took private lessons from him when he was a young man, and skinny.
He had a habit of hitting you with a stick if he didn’t like something.
Later I tried to interest him in real magic, but got the door slammed in my face.
Same as I found with other martial arts system leaders.
They don’t believe in it!!! No matter what they advertise.
And if you actually show them something real, it just threatens their profit margin.
The first time I saw a martial arts demo was in the civic plaza given by a woman doing a tai chi sword form.
I don’t remember why I was there but I can only think it was by invitation of the spirit. It just happened that I was shown the most enchanting demonstration of balance, flow, and movement. Time actually stopped for me. I wanted that.
I did find the school. I did enroll and learn the tai chi forms. And played with the balance, the flow, the energy for years.
I wasn’t looking for anything else from martial arts. I had already found it.
To feel the explosive power of martial arts I was unwittingly taught by the most fierce person imaginable. Kylie introduced the Masculine Series in a workshop. (maybe Westwood). I think she said it was something for the men.
For me it’s mostly about tendon energy. And I feel it as very explosive and powerful. It can launch a much larger person or send them flying across the room, depending on your aim.
You can use it to redeploy your own energy by breaking up the crusted energy. And you can magnify it by connecting with the earth.
I say “you” can do these things, but not without a clear connection with the spirit. Or sometimes by a Gift from the spirit. A link with intent. Don’t ask.
yes I did. He is a little like Dan, but in a different spectrum. He is OCD and a little dyslectic. But very controlled.
Seems like calling them out on certifications made them angry
edit: angy
Do you think you can gain a spiritual benefit from these arts such as kung fu or tai chi ? My father was really in to aikido but I never understood it. He would show me videos of aikido instructors pushing students without touch an it just seemed like a hoax to me but he really believed it
I can’t say I got any spiritual benefit from tai chi. My mind was very quiet though when practicing and my body liked it. A lot.
A good first step is to put your life in order. Nothing pending.
I guess I would count that as a spiritual benefit
Yea, except Reni must be between 75 and 80 now. And maybe not in the best of health.
My guess is, Cleargreen is now run by clueless people who have managed to take it over somewhat, and want to turn it into a Yoga style franchise with them at the top.
One even created that horrible video about how wonderful Yogananda was, claiming Carlos endorsed him.
So, perhaps they’d even start to add Yoga, the way Aerin has.
But in fact, Yogananda was dead by the time Carlos came to Los Angeles in 1952, and dead a good 14 years before Carlos became famous enough to go visiting Yogis.
Which he did, by the way. He used to tell us stories about the Yogi’s he’d visited.
One he saw coming down regally from the top of the stairs in the Yogi’s expensive home. But the Yogi tripped and tumbled down the stairs, and died at his feet.
There’s another story about someone dying, with the implication that sorcery tends to case that sort of bad luck when it gets around people pretending their spirituality.
I’ve seen Cholita cause some astonishing bad luck! One case was so surprising, people laughed when they saw what happened to one of Cholita’s cat enemies.
Carlos also went to see Alan Watts! Who legitimized Buddhism and Daoism, by misrepresenting them to westerners.
There’s a great YouTube channel where a man calmly describes religions, without judging them. But it soon becomes obvious, those aren’t real magical systems.
I’m not sure what Carlos was looking for with Watts, but he said all Watts asked him was, “Have you ever had sex with a man?”
Carlos could visit anyone he wanted. In his search for real magic somewhere else.
He never found any.
Nor did I. I did the same as Carlos, once I realized this magic actually works.
You go looking for answers, but you’ll never find any.
Anyway, at one point Cleargreen took money from someone.
“Investors”.
On the other hand, someone seems to be holding Carlos’ house on Pandora.
So “investors” might not necessarily be evil people.
Just people who never actually got this sorcery to work.
And like some of our former private class members who gave up, perhaps they don’t believe it actually can work.
Don Juan said that once someone gives up, they never come back.
It’s proved to be true of private class members. 50-100 all lost.
Only Jadey, Cholita, and me left.
Even with people making it work in the dozens here, that’s not enough to get former private class members to give it a second try.
Could be once you give up, that’s enough of a “hook” in your mind, for the fliers to manipulate.
Your Dad was practicing the fake version of Aikido.
Their leader flipped out and created a pretend version.
Doesn’t work at all.
There’s a real version, but it’s VICIOUS.
The tokyo police use it.
And even though the police believe it works, no aikido practitioner would stand a chance in a real fight competition.
I used to spar with those guys!
Aikido just doesn’t come up in an actual fight.
I’m interested in your light body techniques! I’ve experimented with it a bit.
Ive gotten my upper body, chest and above, to lose physicality and actually feel like a bright light. But I lose rationality and volition.
Ive done magical things then as well as at times when my energy was sunk into the earth.
But never consciously. I never have a memory of what I’ve done and only vaguely realize it as I wake up from a deep dream.
How would you proceed with light body?
I’m currently working on dissolving my physicality, sinking to the center of the earth and going up to infinity. The eagle. As well as focusing on the luminous shell.
I know you’re busy. If you don’t have time to respond I understand.
Please don’t murder me
All the good audio versions of the books are off YT now.
Imagine the revenue Cleargreen be banking if their members could do 50% of what new ppl here accomplishing after a couple months.
Was thinking about energetic mass.
We would need millions of practitioners to make even a ripple of energy - The Nagual is unfathomable like solar system, Star Trek delta quadrant unfathomable.
The individuals need energy to enter second attention and linking with others would require energy, unifying/directing that energy and it not dissipating in the vastness of the Nagual would be difficult?
Things I was thinking about, no passing judgements, just joining the discussion(s).
This thread is too long, so I might not find it next time.
Light body is merely switching seamlessly to your double.
It’s’ not that you lay down and go to sleep.
You just switch, and there’s no explanation for what happened to your physical body. It just seems to gain the powers of the double.
It might simply be what don Juan called, “shrinking the tonal”.
It can also be triggered by someone else, such as a witch.
We see examples of that in the books, such as when the little sisters attack Carlos, and he switches to his “nagual” and automatically kicks Lydia in her second attention assemblage point.
In my case, Choita just puts one finger under my chin, and lifts me into the air a foot or two.
But obviously that’s impossible.
So it’s very much like that incident in the books where a witch triggers the switch, and there’s no evidence afterwards, for what “really” happened.
If you wanted to “learn” lightbody you’d have to pursue darkroom with all you have, never failing to practice.
Then get to the point where you can visibly see your energy body form during magical passes like recapitulation series, which seem mostly designed to do that.
But so many other things will happen, doing that would be kind of like going to Disneyland just to see the ducks around the magic castle…
You’ll ditch those lousy ducks for all the rides, as soon as you see the park all around it.
Cholita is the only one I know who can cause that.
But she doesn’t do it.
Something else is always responsible.
It’s a well known sorcery effect. Just isn’t discussed much openly.
Carlos and the witches told a story or two, but I suspect they’re lost now.
Is this similar to how sorcerers that are already dead?
Let me try and make sense.
Like sorcerors intended their death when they were in the lineage.
The force you described killing pretend “magicians” is also intent. Both the same force, intent.
This means that it’s the same process in both cases…
What is the difference in both of them? Whether you have intent on your side. Don Juan got that from extensively recapitulating his life with the intent to die. He forced intent’s hand and still managed to make through, because of intent.
Julian didn’t do that. But when he came face to face with intent, intent was on his side, so he got to be “dead and alive” at the same time.
Fake yogis meet intent but they don’t have it on their side. They stood no chance. They spend their whole life pretending the real thing but when they come face to face with intent, the same way the other sorcerors did, the only thing that could happen in that situation takes place: intent doesn’t spare them. Sorcerers are dead but on the condition they pursue intent.
I’m not remembering most of that, from the books or a lecture.
But as far as Yogis, such as Yogananda who created the “Self-realization Fellowship”, “self-realization” is the exact opposite of what anyone ought to be doing.
It’s an ego death trap. Just like being “mindful” is a death trap. Both are super easy to pretend, and utterly pointless. Used to fool followers into ignoring that they can see right in front of them if they just look.
You’ll see this clearly once you can “see” (sustain silent knowledge) and gaze at “realization” after realization, coming from infinity, and come to understand that there’s an infinite number of those.
And none of them make any difference.
Focusing on “realizing” is a death trap.
Not to mention, typically someone thinking like that gets one or two “realizations” over years, and declares themselves enlightened.
Whereas with sorcery you get several a night, every single night. And soon learn to toss those out.
The inorganic beings use realizations to trick inexperienced sorcerers into thinking it would be good to go live in their world, so they can give you realizations for hundreds of years.
Or if that’s too hard to understand, we’re trying to get PAST realizations.
Not discover more of them.
Past them isn’t even human. You, aren’t even you anymore.
You get an “upgrade” as Carol Tiggs phrased it.
The vast majority of reality isn’t human, and perhaps even more than half is abstract and can’t even be thought about. You can only experience it, and only at the time. Later, it vanishes.
So to see it all freely you have to stop clinging to social status among humans.
Can you point to where in the books or lecture notes it says Julian didn’t practice recapitulation?
I’m pretty sure he did everything don Juan did, but liked shapeshifting a bit too much so he created a flat spot in “the shift below” he couldn’t pass through in less than 1 second.
Even a 3 second delay moving your assemblage point across the entire range, prevents reaching the third attention.
Because the emanations cool down before you can light all of them up.
I suspect that once you light up one range of emanations along the J curve, but then move your awareness fully off of those, they cool down in 2 seconds as if never lit up at all.
Well… Traces remain or we couldn’t assemble any reality at all.
