The high-energy inorganics of don Juan’s lineage only took the nagual Elias and Amalia because he was a nagual and their combined energy was too tempting to resist. And the nagual Rosendo(?) was rather foolish in offering them up first intentionally and audibly voicing it. If you don’t do these things, and aren’t a double being with more energy to offer, and don’t deal with the higher energy inorganics…you’re almost certainly safe from kidnapping. Almost is as good as it’s gonna get probably.
Well I’m certainly not a double. Carlos found none in our classes, and went looking elsewhere.
Plus, if you can get there, I don’t see why you can’t escape. Maybe the issue was that Elias didn’t know how to assemble other worlds yet?
It does say in the passage that they were young, and were otherwise occupied with getting it on when taken, probably not assembling other worlds right then!
I suspect it’s the sex. It must have given off energy that drove the inorganics wild, and they had no choice but to take them.
The inorganics got seduced?
Maybe that’s why the technique works, of giving apprentices to the inorganics. Close together inside a box, no one can see, boy and girl in there…
Evil is a stalwort of the imposed mind-overlay, what Castaneda called the “Flyer’s Mind” and what some Asian schools of thought call the “Monkey Mind.” It and it alone is obsessed with good and evil as static and rigid concepts. They do not exist in nature, in reality. The real evil is in human actions which proceed from narcissism and a lack of empathy.
It’s your thoughts that bring either good or evil to your interpretation of the inorganics, so dropping those interpretations lets them appear as they truly are, neutral abstractions. Not saying they don’t have their own alien intentions, but at least you don’t have to perceive them as a devil with red skin and horns or an angel with glowing wings. Get a little creative and jovial.
I’d like to see someone produce a black cat for an ally. It would explain a lot of esoteric writings and folklore about witches.
(Yes, there are actually witches. Cholita has proven that to me.)
My low energy inorganic being produced a Siberian Cat just once for me, but it was perfect. The rest of the time, when I was trying to get her to assume cat form, she looked like the bearded lady at the circus.
Can this be presented as extended buffer of “suspension of disbelief”..?
In real life you see it when watching movies, reading stories, interacting with people: in a movie when some data is not known yet but a character uses it nonetheless, a person with less “buffer” might immediately comment “what is X” or “why is Z”, which in good movies is actually answered within next 1-2 minutes of the movie.
While interacting with another person, it’s related to “respect” - how many “possibly wrong” sentences are you able to withstand a person to say to you, without losing track of conversation? With large enough buffer or “forced-buffer” in case of high respect, you allow a large amount of “questionable” parts in a conversation, possibly gaining a better result in the end.
The factor in that “buffering” of “questionable data” is silence - you just store the data as-is without trying to judge it’s veracity, so you inhibit the live analysis to keep track of the “big picture” at sone point in the future.
The silence you experience is just a side effect of accepting data that is outside your normal worldview, either because it’s false (you cannot judge whether it is) or just so new that it doesn’t yet fit.
As it is very hard (if possible) to remember yourself in previous state before learning something (the neural network change is so distributed that reversing it is nigh-impossible) you might not even remember that it took effort to “buffer” that data, and in retrospect it will look completely effortless.
For example while each word in next sentences might feel wrong and take effort to buffer, after learning it’s truth you will forget that it took effort:
water in clouds is in form of cold large drops suspended in warm air, condensation of water vapor heating up air around
gravity at height of satellite orbits is ~90% of gravity on earth surface. If you stand on a static ladder at that height and jump or drop a book, you won’t feel much different than down on surface. Satellites fly because they are continuously “thrown” sideways, like a book you can throw sideways will “orbit” if thrown continuously.
The feeling while using the disbelief buffer is a sort of “controlled unknowing” - you stop knowing things you knew before, so you can learn new data later when analysing in bulk.
Dan, does that sound right? This would explain why some thoughtlets can emerge harmlessly when/after entering second attention, so progress is more a question of training to increase the buffer size and delay and mellow the analysis process..?
The factor in that “buffering” of “questionable data” is silence - you just store the data as-is without trying to judge it’s veracity, so you inhibit the live analysis to keep track of the “big picture” at some point in the future.
That’s exactly right! Eventually you can even feel the interaction passing through you, as if you were air. Maybe that’s how Sorcerers keep emanations from others getting stuck into them again, after they’ve mostly cleared the previous ones out through recapitulation.
Carlos wanted us to understand this, and emphasized it in his last books. Don Juan even told him, he was an empty tube to infinity.
It’s an advanced silence technique. You couldn’t tell someone about this and help them learn faster, because they’d just start pretending and posturing. People seem to believe that if you imitate the effect, you can produce the cause.
In this case, no way. You even have to empty yourself in the first place, in addition to being silent, just to get an inkling of what it feels like.
Dead dreaming is what comes to mind. Carlos brought that up in class.
You’re already dead, so you don’t have to concern yourself with your dreaming landscape. You just explore it.
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One of things that allows to do this “leap of faith” is being certain that you can come back to where you started, which might be helped with a bit of external memory.
Like a backup of current state, perhaps it might help to write down whichever facts and understandings about the world that might get modified by the new events. It would reduce anxiety and give freedom to be interested and give importance to new data. Perhaps refresher on which of the data is first-hand knowledge and which is third-party and thus possibly wrong and should not be guarded so strictly..
As a trivial example, setting a loud external alarm clock even at far-away delays (+8hours for example) may add reassurance of “safe return”.
(a bit more in similar context in the 8-point diagram thread)
You mean return from dreaming, in case you get confused?
It reminds me of the story of Florinda and Taisha getting “lost in the second attention”.
I’ll post about that.
Yes, from dreaming or any other novel experience which can potentially cause change in worldview/priorities
I’ve been a tiny bit worried about the possibility of being trapped in dreaming. So far I haven’t seen any evidence that you can bodily go into a dreaming world, but I also haven’t seen any contrary evidence.
When I get offered a new world, I just go in. I have no idea what my body is doing.
You might be right about setting up alarms.
And when you throw the fact that you can have potentially weeks of atemporal experiences in dreaming and discover only a few hours have passed in this reality when resurfacing, an expected alarm becomes both a cause of anxiety as well as a lifesaver (at least life in this reality). Anxiety as in “why hasn’t that alarm sounded yet!” as days and days go by in dreaming…
from Second ring of power, toward end of the book, after the dark-room practice with girls:
“Did we come out of the room?” la Gorda asked.
“No,” Nestor replied.
La Gorda seemed to be as anxious to know as I was, and that was alarming to me. She even coaxed Nestor to speak.
“You came from nowhere,” Nestor said. “I should also say that it was frightening. All of you were like fog. Pablito saw you first. You may have been in the yard for a long time, but we didn’t know where to look for you. Then Pablito yelled and all of us saw you. We have never seen anything like that.”
“What did we look like?” I asked.
The Genaros looked at one another. There was an unbearably long silence. The little sisters were staring at Nestor with their mouths open.
“You were like pieces of fog caught in a web,” Nestor said. “When we poured water on you, you became solid again.”
If you remember the alarm, that’s still safe. It’s more for a situation where you are so far that you forget the alarm and the “previous world”.
Normally your first attention will not want to let you go too far and lose control, so the alarm is set as to relax the first attention to let you venture farther.
It’s a trick like when you tell a kid “you do the homework and then you can play” while knowing full well that kid will be too tired to play after doing homework 