Chronology of Chapter 2 in "The Teachings of Don Juan"

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Boy, I’m starting to worry you’re a setup. It’s just too good to be true!

Next you’re going to offer me your little sister to “teach”?

I’m just joking. I’m still in heightened awareness from Cholita’s doings. Carlos paired us off 25 years ago, and I’m surprised what she’s been up to during that time.

Full out witchcraft at times. For a while, she was leaving a spell, hidden in my yard, at least once a month. I probably still haven’t found all of them.

The answer is yes, the techniques are explored more. But no one seems to see it. It’s odd.

The books are pretty much a series of techniques, mixed with motivational messages. The problem is, people get the motivational messages, but ignore the techniques.

The most powerful technique for learning seeing is given first: Finding your spot.

But it’s so idiotic, people don’t get it. Did you notice that was a powerful technique? It’ll take you all the way to changing worlds.

More techniques are scattered all along. For a while it’s mostly power plants, but I suspect you could extract a sober technique from those too.

You could pick any of the techniques given along the way, follow instructions, and get some dazzling results.

But just going around thinking about the motivational messages pacifies the mind, and people never get around to actually putting in some work.

Remember, I come from a private class Carlos held for years, with at least 200 people floating in and out.

None learned sorcery. Or if they did, it’s a very selfish form where they keep it to themselves, and don’t care about what happens to Carlos’ reputation.

When followers of Carlos do put in some work, it’s typically really pitiful levels of it.

But since they have the motivational messages in their mind, they feel like they’re making progress.

In some cases, the techniques are well spelled out. Like the technique for seeing inorganic beings in a stream.

It’s so simple, people overlook the fact that it works. It surely works.

Other techniques are harder to find. Don Juan jumps over a house. Taisha flies into the sky. La Gorda climbs an invisible rope.

Those are likely the same technique. I’m working on La Gorda’s version, but I just can’t get myself to pee in my hands.

Doesn’t matter to the inorganics. They seem to love anything flicked from your hands, when you’re in heightened awareness.

But the absolute most powerful technique is to learn to get silent. Without that, you’ll only be wishing and pretending.

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Ha - no, no setup here.

I’m just a very analytical person who, almost against my will, had been thrown into “the other side.”

I did mushrooms once on 12/31/2017, not enough to cause any sort of visuals or anything - just enough to make me question what ‘consciousness’ is. My wife and I started meditating regularly in May of 2018, learning the TM method. Within the first months of meditating, I was hearing voices, having ‘other’ memory recalls, entering ‘pipelines’, etc.

Since then, I’ve experienced more ‘weirdness’ than I ever possibly could have imagined (uncontrollable swaying, affecting others’ energy and entering their consciousness, willing things to happen, incredible synchronocities, etc.), and I’ve just been reading and exploring as much as I can to try and find explanations for these things. Honestly, I was getting bored with the silence in my meditations, and so I was trying other things out that sort of came naturally. I thought meditation=silence for everyone. Is that not the case? I’m at the point where I can freely ‘move’ around in my meditation (i.e. let my mind enter other places, try new things, explore colors and planes), and I was under the impression that was the next step of meditation, not furthering of the silence. This is what I was hoping I’d be able to learn from these books, and why I joined this sub.

I accept things on my experience alone, and that has proven to be a good guide so far. I also tend to be a fast learner, so new ‘techniques’ come pretty easily to me, which I’m sure has facilitated my experience.

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Well if you’re using TM, you can practice the Siddhis. They do in fact work, although maybe not as spectacularly as they promise.

But yes, more silence is the goal. It’s great to play around on the way, and TM is especially good for producing interesting effects. But you won’t get to the bottom of it all until you can get silent.

And no, TM does not produce silence. It trades one internal dialogue for another. And so it stops short. Practitioners aren’t even aware of that.

The fact that you consider silence boring demonstrates that you didn’t get there. Silence turns the entire world into a kingdom of unfathomable magic.

About the closest TM comes to silence is with those Siddhi techniques.

Or, if you get creative and try to be fully silent, during the 2 minute rest period.

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Question: How much did you pay to learn TM, and did they offer you siddhis, and at what price?

Or did you learn on your own?

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I didn’t pay anything; I went through the David Lynch Foundation and got the fee waived bc I’m a combat veteran with PTSD.

I don’t know what Siddhis are.

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I understand the difference between repeating a mantra throughout the meditation and being silent - I generally don’t need my mantra anymore. In fact, usually when I’m seeing colors, hearing sounds, recalling memories, etc, it’s when I’m not using my mantra. Though perhaps I don’t understand the difference between my thoughts being silent and actual silence.

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Those are pretty cool.

It’s from the writings of Patanjali. They’re essentially super powers you can develop, as long as you get into a state of Samadhi (heightened awareness in Carlos’ books).

For example, if you meditate 20 minutes until you start to feel or see something, or maybe you just feel very still and quiet, you stop repeating the mantra, let it settle to silence, then say a phrase from Patanjali’s “sutras”.

Such as “Inner Lights”.

Then you drop it and return to silence.

When you get the right balance, you will indeed see the inner lights that Patanjali described.

There’s a sutra for shrinking down to the size of an ant, one for super strength, one for flying, one for invisibility, and one for navigation in the universe during astral travel.

In the 60s, there was Maharashi and Carlos. And of course Timothy and Bear. That was the foundation of the hippy movement. Along with political anger of course. Seems like political anger goes along with people pursuing esoteric techniques.

My best guess for why is that people pursuing weird stuff tend to be self-righteous. And self-righteousness breeds anger and hate. It comes out in retweeting angry politics.

Pity. Political anger impedes silence.

As for the “siddhis”, such “sutras” are common all over Asia. There are magical scrolls in Kungfu tradition, SHA256 encoded secret Buddhist lectures, and undoubtedly a lot more I didn’t notice.

There are people in here with a lot more knowledge of such things than I have. Generally, everyone pursuing Carlos these days has tried other things, due to the shortage of anything useful regarding Carlos.

So if anyone knows about sutras, please pipe in.

It’s not a lot different than a “magical spell” in western tradition, except that in western tradition you don’t perfect yourself. Instead you capture a spirit to help you (an inorganic being).

In eastern tradition, it’s your mental condition that allows you to make the sutras work.

There is of course only one change you can make to yourself. If there’s another, I can’t conceive of what it could be.

This gets hidden by the meditation technique sellers, who like to claim theirs is unique and very different.

But they’re all the same. They interrupt the oppressive internal dialogue so that the world around you can change. Our internal dialogue is what keeps it the same all the time.

And if you learn to get fully silent, your abilities will BLOW AWAY anything the TM people learn to do. Patanjali’s sutras, rather than being their ultimate cool thing to do, will become a mild curiosity.

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You understand, but the depths of internal silence go a lot further than you know so far.

At absolute silence, the world stops. It literally goes away.

It’s very hard to see the transition. Thus one of the posters in here was saying, he thought of stopping the world as being like driving off a cliff. I suspect I was making it sound too simple.

I don’t know about the driving off a cliff part. Could be.

I’ve never seen the transition. I just end up wherever you go, remembering that I was super silent, but not actually remembering the instant before it stopped.

So here’s what you can do with what you have. If you get silent and watch those colors, they will move your assemblage point. Just watch them, don’t worry about whether you need to do anything. If you can figure out how to interact with them, like make them spin or such, that’s great.

But the most important thing is to learn to move your assemblage point.

That’s what makes the world the way it is. When you can move it, you have other choices.

In the beginning, it will likely feel like this: You’ll be watching the colors, and maybe even so long that you get bored.

At some point you will seem to doze off, your head will jerk forward, you’ll wake back up, and you’ll have a mini-dream in your mind. Or, if you have stronger awareness than most people, you might just smoothly drift into a vision, directly from the colors. But both situations have the same principle behind them.

Your assemblage point moved, and you ended up in another world. In this case a dreaming world, but you can learn to do this technique fully awake. So the “it’s just a dream” explanation doesn’t always hold up.

Eventually you’ll learn to retain consciousness when it moves, and you’ll feel absolute bliss tingling up your body. That’s the feeling of energy being released, because your assemblage point has moved into unused territory.

Moving your assemblage point to that same place the next time won’t release as much energy, and it won’t be as dramatic. But there are plenty of other places it can move to, and if you don’t use one for a while, it renews the energy release.

So you can move it to the same location months later, and get the same rush of energy.

I’m warning you a bit about how something cool can happen, you can get all jazzed at your new ability, and then find out you can’t do it again.

As it turns out, learning to do specific things isn’t the actual goal. It’s all the side issues and control that matter. Control, that’s what you’re after.

Edit: It’ll be very interesting to see what happens to someone who reads Carlos’ books for the first time, with a PhD level of understanding them. I got mine directly from Carlos over the course of years and many lectures.

I’ve only modified it to remove the emphasis on behavior, since that didn’t work out for the rest of his students. They focused too much on the motivational messages, and not enough on sorcery itself.

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Very cool - I appreciate your guidance.

I guess the most I can do is continue doing what I’m doing and paying more attention to the colors and whatnot? The term “Assemblage Point” is still new and foreign to me. Does Carlos go into specific techniques regarding it within his books?

And, speaking of which -

It’ll be very interesting to see what happens to someone who reads Carlos’ books for the first time, with a PhD level of understanding them. I got mine directly from Carlos over the course of years and many lectures.

I’ve only modified it to remove the emphasis on behavior, since that didn’t work out for the rest of his students. They focused too much on the motivational messages, and not enough on sorcery itself.

Can you explain more? Sometimes I have a hard time understanding your reference point when you use the first person like that.

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Do you have any specific places I can reference to learn more about this?

Also - one of my concerns, and something my wife is concerned with in terms of her dream ability - is the possibility that we go a bit ‘beyond’ our abilities. Meaning losing ourselves in the “other,” getting involved with energies and spirits we’re not capable of dealing with, getting sucked into “evil” (does this exist?), those kinds of things. Any advice or thoughts on this?

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I can see how that would be confusing. I’ll have to keep it in mind.

I’m here because I got an invite, and have been trying to help Carlos’ students make better progress for a long time. I had the idea to use stalking and move my efforts to Asia. Create a new line of sorcerers so to speak.

And as always, people locate my email address and write to me, and I do my best to push them along.

But when I got the invite to here, and started seeing what was up, I realized, the way to spread Carlos’ techniques is via the internet.

I guess I’m an old fart. I should have realized that 10 years ago.

It seems I make the mistake of talking like a foul college professor, in first person. Sorry.

But that’s the least of my problems. Certainly, what I write will sound delusional to a normal person.

The assemblage point is a place in our luminous shell, where we focus most of our awareness. The human body can be seen as a sort of egg shaped ball of glowing fibers.

Whatever you are focusing your attention on, lights up the fibers in that area. We seem to have limited range, and so the glowing part is only a fraction of the size of our whole luminous shell.

That glowing part moves around. Our internal dialogues limit the range. If you get silent, it can drift.

Looking at colors that come from nowhere is the fastest way I know to drift it, other than to have a sorcerer manipulate it for you.

By the way, all this hogwash about glowing fibers and eggs doesn’t have to be taken without evidence.

In sorcery, you actually get to see the things it describes. There’s no pretending required, as there seems to be in everything else.

The others had the truth at one point, and surely there’s people practicing other techniques (like TM), who have gone far.

But most other techniques are full of hot air, just repeating what was told before.

They are businesses which pray on people who are hurting.

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Read Carlos’ books.

Yes, you can get in over your head. But eventually you realize, none of what goes on can actually hurt you.

So if a demon materializes in your room, it can’t really do anything. But you could certainly get hurt running for your life.

For your protection, I suggest you snag an inorganic and learn to make it take the shapes you want.

Your wife might be afraid of the prince of darkness materializing in front of her, but if she learns to turn him into Brad Pitt, she’ll probably stop worrying about that.

Yes there is evil in the world. It’s the social order and the internal dialogue. You’re already immersed in it.

The goal is to free yourself from it.

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Got it, thanks. I’m assuming “snag an inorganic” is also covered somewhere in the books too?

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No no - I’m not doubting the assemblage point stuff - I’ve encountered other weirdness and am comfortable with it. I guess I’m past the point of “normal person” now, ha. Just wanted to verify that I’ll get more familiar with it the further in the books I get, though this context helps as well.

I do believe that all “paths” lead to the same point, and as such there are forks in each path - I suppose I’m at a crossroads currently trying to find more info about the intersection I’m at. I appreciate the help you’ve given so far.

Do you have thoughts or is it covered in any of Carlos’ books regarding the higher-self? One of the beliefs I’m working through right now is that we’re projections in this plane of reality from our “soul” - a higher level self that isn’t limited to this plane. This self projects into multiple planes, different realities, etc. I’m referring mostly to the metaphysics within Vedic knowledge here - not necessarily “new-age” (though I hate that term) philosophy.

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Yes it is.

There’s a technique using a mirror and a stream.

There’s a technique using the hand, slowly moved across the ground.

You can lie on your back and gaze outdoors in gullies and places where water can go.

But the easiest method was taught by Carlos, only in private classes.

You learn to get silent in darkness until you see those colors you talked about. Absolute darkness is best for many reasons, but it can be less than perfect. I just don’t know from direct experience how that will go.

Once you see the colors, you try to play with them with your hand. Get up, and go try to push them around.

You’ll discover that they follow the direction your head and eyes are facing, and so scooping them seems stupid.

But it’s not! Try to move some of that to your stomach.

Eventually the colors behave like independant objects. At that point, you’ll get goosebumps.

On the edge of the brightest of those colors you can find inorganic beings.

A little face will form on one of the puffs. Once you see one, it’ll keep returning.

Coax it into your hand, and tell it what shape you like the best.

I turned mine into a Disney Fairy (like tinkerbell), a pumpkin so I could throw her against the wall to make a dazzling display of colors, a cat so I could see what it feels like to have a European style “familiar spirit”, and some perverted forms I’d rather not talk about.

The inorganics seem to be all female. If you get my drift…

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I think that’s all true, what you said.

But in Carlos’ view of things, there’s a place (which you can learn to see because I have) where everything in the universe is composed of glowing fibers of light, stretching into infinity.

The glow of awareness runs through them continuously, looking like some kind of electric current running up them.

When they group together to form a “bundle” of fibers, it represents a whole world you can enter.

I’ve done it, so I’m not yanking your chain here.

We ourselves are a limited range of those fibers. Like a bubble, sitting stationary in space. We can never perceive anything outside our bubble. But we have access to everything inside it.

Typically people only access a fraction of it in their lives.

I’ve never seen that bubble sitting among the emanations. But it could be because whenever I see the emanations, I’m only looking at the range within my own bubble.

The emanations are aware. Each one has a certain “mood”, or function.

Not enough to make a whole object, but when you collect them together, we can interact with it as if it were real and solid.

That’s how our reality is created.

If there’s a higher being, it’s the one that projected the awareness that created the emanations.

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Fascinating stuff. I may be getting a bit ahead of myself here, but is there anything to be concerned about in terms of interacting with them? Are they benign? Do they want to be ‘captured’? What ‘purpose’ do they serve?

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We ourselves are a limited range of those fibers. Like a bubble, sitting stationary in space. We can never perceive anything outside our bubble. But we have access to everything inside it.

So all of the stuff we’re able to see and access by moving our assemblage point is still limited to whatever is inside the bubble?

Are these emanations different than the inorganic beings we’re discussing in the other thread? (Also - on that note - would PM’s be better?)

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They want from you, the same thing you’ll end up wanting from them.

To interact.

They just like the energy we give off. They live for billions of years, but they’re really low energy. We’re like lightning bolts to them.

We get dreaming energy from them, and they get whatever energy they use.

They have no motivation I can think of, other than to interact with us and get our energy.

So they’ll help you move your assemblage point, since they’re also recipients of the benefit. Movement to an unused position releases energy they like.

They’ll teach you to scoop up dark energy, their favorite. They can’t actually “teach”. I’ve truly never heard one speak, unless it was masquerading as a character in a dream.

But they can “show” you. Move to the right place at the right time, to indicate you ought to be investigating there.

Dangers: Well… Apparently, they can kidnap you and take you to their world. Physically.

I find that hard to believe, and frankly, it would be pretty cool if it were true. I’d risk it to find out.

I’ve seen the world of the low energy one I grabbed out of the air. Doesn’t seem so threatening to me. But then I can assemble their world in my bedroom, so I never actually go there physically. Or maybe I do. It gets “ify” on where I’m located once that world assembles.

By the way, here’s a warning. If I didn’t report all this here, I’d forget about it in a year or two. Sorcery is like that. I have at least 30 years of forgotten weird stuff, because I didn’t have any reason to report it to anyone.

Carlos’ “allies” are another thing. You’ll read about them. He passed them on to his private classes.

An “Ally” is an inorganic being trained to belong to a lineage of sorcerers. Like a ward. Or a pet.

Or we’re the pet. No one knows for sure.

I guess belonging to a sorcery lineage requires the inorganics to be high energy, or they’re not worth the time.

I kind of like the low energy ones. If I had to guess, I’d say those are easy to snag, while the high energy “Allies” are difficult to find.

I have 2 of them. Carlos brought them to class a couple of times, and pointed them out to us on one occasion.

I believe the other 2 (from his books) went with the other apprentices (not with Carlos).

His allies are NOT low energy. They’re anything but. They can burn through a wall like a blue laser beam. And they like to interact with fright. If you run, you’re dead meat.

But you don’t have to worry about them. You kind of need an introduction for those inorganics.

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The inorganics are a bubble also, but located further away from our bubble.

It’s like a tiny bit of each bubble overlaps on which emanations it encases.

So our perception of the inorganics is more about our awareness bouncing off them, and back into our own range of emanations. The echo of that energy reflecting back creates their appearance.
Their appearance is based on what you are currently intending, but also what you saw the last time. When the energy of awareness bounces back to us, it tends to go where it went before.

I’m not aware of the other thread, but the inorganics probably account for most manifestations of spirits or weird stuff no one can explain.

Unless there’s also aliens in the mix. But that’s outside my area of expertise.