I would even say there is a huge wall between adapting and creating your own pass.
Whatever your prompting- you stoll haven’t given me the source from the book, only from chatgpt. You "Let it create a profound and sourced answer.. for me( me?) Are you asking for an applause or something? I am questioning this because it’ s easy to just go blurting out things which are supposedly in the books which aren’t. It’s on the same line as making up magical passes. Then to back up your point with chatgpt said it so it’s true.My question was simple and you didn’t answer it and neither did chatgpt. As for the rest I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove, you’re just avoiding answering the question.
“How much blank out do you experience, going into, and then out of the waking dream scenes?”
My transitions into dream scenes happen suddenly. One moment, I’m doing head sweeps or looking at colors in front of me, and then next, I’m in a scene.
The Transitions out of a scene vary; if it’s a quick dream flash, I usually continue my head sweep unless something is there.
In the instance of the street I posted about, after the dream flash, there was a quick transition with slight disorientation as I realized the street was zoomed out in front of me. Almost like focusing your eyes when trying to read something blurry, then it becomes clear.
“Is it stronger when they’re more vivid?”
The transitions ‘in’ are the same. The transitions out of longer vivid scenes usually result in colored static on the ceiling or in front of me. Sometimes, my transitions out of a scene are more visual.
“Do you tend to ignore them due to the blank out, until you realize that’s precisely what you were after?”
In general, during my sessions, I try not to ignore anything.
“Or you have clarity when you get cool results?”
Aside from a few outliers, I have clarity on my transition out of a scene and find myself gripping silence stones with my eyes open on exit.
Regarding blankouts, they’ve changed since I started practicing. As an example, in the past, to see a surface in the distance while gazing, I’d involuntarily blank out, and sometimes it’d appear. Now, maybe I’ll notice a shift in vision to get the same result. If they happen, it’s very quick and not as drastic as before.
If I find my chin on my chest, that’s typically because I went into a sleeping dream and passed out.
Im not sure why you keep editing your comments instead of waiting for a proper response. I will post my response here then, as you made it extra confusing with these edits in the upper parts of the comment chain.
The original comment only contained this part before the Edit now 13 Hours later:
I meant in the book as it seems that chatgpt isn’t a reliable reference. You could think it’s got the hang of it, but it’s not that accurate. I was also fooled until someone here pointed it out to me. It’s handy, but it doesn’t get it.
This is the edit 13 Hours later to misrepresent my reponse down below. This user is trying to manipulate the flow of events:
I can use chatgpt as anyone can, I was asking you to clarify your claims, not a universal llm.
The fact that you’re feeding my question to chatgpt shows you have no reference to back up your claims and are trying to use it to Lord. It is pretty pathetic. Check out the chatgpt subs - " ordinary people" are analyzing how deluded the thing has become. You’re just using it to agree with yourself. Sounds like flyer shit to me.
I was kind enough to point you out to the closest thing that comes to your claim, thinking perhaps that you would bridge it somehow. This isn’t just a quote war, it’s about misrepresentation. The books are very precise and deserve careful reading, and I try to avoid that contaminated regurgitation, which is oh so characteristic in this community. Why make things up. Is chatgpt going to write a book for you so that we can all be worshipping your " ingenious " prompts. It’s manure.
Quick Response: I let the LLM quickly analyze the language as I believed a quick summary of the Book would be helpful. You are projecting pretty hard right now.
My only Goal was to aid a practioner in their quest towards freedom by telling them that their Silence Stones would be alright to use. Ofcourse it is best to get by without toys or tools. Thats why I mentioned health and pain for better reasons. But if they attain more Silence, they will learn faster and also learn to let go of the toy eventually. The practice just works that way. You seem to be lacking in that regard and just throwing around words like “flyer”.
I did not just Feed your question to ChatGPT, I ordered ChatGPT to only look at the PDF, analyze its language and give a quick summary of the main statements and ideas towards adaption, without adding any interpretation. Since the Book, and all of CC’s books are about creativity, flexibility and adaptation when a Situation calls for it.
Anything that helps with Silence and a Shifting of your AP is of value to sorcery. Even a modification of the passes.
It should be obvious based on the principles of sorcery to adapt in your practice, based on your condition. If you only have one Arm. You will still perform the passes.
I was kind enough to point you out to the closest thing that comes to your claim, thinking perhaps that you would bridge it somehow.
You are delusional. Kind enough? Who are you kidding? This must be a Joke! In my answer to your original unedited version I explained that I aligned the answer from ChatGPT with my own practice and observations to make sure it is not just bullshit.
You are full of shit and projecting it towards me. None of your interpretations about me hold true as you will see (cont.)
You are putting Words into my Mouth. And act like a scholar from university.
You seem to enjoy calling others out for the sake of it.
Ofcourse I avoided your question. I did not feel like engaging in inventory activites for something so obvious.
Using ChatGPT is low effort and needs no Applause. I just let it analyze the language of the book so you can instantly get to practice instead of collecting more inventory. I thought offering a brief overview could he helpful towards you and others. As it supported my personal experiences I deemed it post worthy. It was not a blind copy&paste effort. The other option would have been just not responding at all, since i do not store quotes in my head or in notes. I read something and instantly apply it. And then it becomes second nature.
I wrote my responses with absolute confidence based in hundreds of hours of practice. I know what I wrote is true. Especially since many Senior Members also work with Modifications, especially Dan, who is an old man. Something that many in here seem to forget. There is tons of comment chains in this reddit suggesting modifications. Just do not share them.
I have given you a quote, pointed towards Jadey and Her Husband that uses modifications, my interpretation and how I executed it with success overcoming the boundary of my illness by being creative. Something that Don Juan keeps stressing.
I also pointed towards the fact that the whole Intro of the book (49 Pages in my Version), keeps pointing towards adaptation. I re-read it again yesterday just to make sure.
Similiar to all the other books of CC I have read where adaptation is a common pattern.
So to me its obvious, that I adjust a pass when I am ill or hurt in order to keep practicing.
What would you do? Wait for a quote that allows you to do it?
Also you say " I think it would be interesting to pursue the subject further" while neglecting the fact that this is your ID. Because if you really were interested you would provide me with context or help me overcome my delusions by sourcing “counter quotes” with the Intent of helping me and others learn as part of your practice.
You seem Lazy to me. Why are you not providing me with “Counter Quotes”? Or Sit down and find quotes that actually support my claim and ACTUALLY prevent others from being hurt by my delusions, as you have compared me to the likes of Cleargreen?
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My claim, if true, suddenly removes all excuses from practioners to not practice. If they don’t adapt, then they are lazy. It is that simple.
You are the one that is neglecting the fact that actual learning happens in practice and not by crawling through quotes. How much more do you need?
If you wanted proof so badly, you could have picked up your favorite pass and try performing it sitting or laying down and see it for yourself, while figuring out how. It retains most of its quality with silence and proper intent.
The Beauty of this practice is, that you can fact check everything as part of the practice. No quotes needed.
Tensegrity in itself is a Modification of the original Ancient Magical Passes. So the spirit of flexibility, modification and adaption is directly built into the system. You just have to make use of it. Which I did when I needed it. I had no choice.
Reading this comment took you more time than creaing your personal proof.
These 5 things are the only things I actually remember or rather EMBODY:
- Everything is about how I spend My time and energy
- Sorcery requires energy and is about the manipulation of the AP
- Silence makes the AP Flexible
- Learning only happens through movement of the AP
- Sorcerers only seek opportunities, so anything that aids in Silence, Energy and moving the AP will be sought after by me.
Thats the only thing I need to practice and allows me modifiy my passes to keep achieving the goal of sorcery: TRUE FREEDOM.
The good side of this is that you offered me a chance to feel the effects of yesterdays practice even more, as I am typing this with pure focus, alertness and silence, after having studied the books and notes the whole night without sleep.
Just for fun I have spent the last 5 hours sourcing quotes without needing them. Not for you, but for others who lurk. Feel free to ignore this.
Demanding and solely relying on quotes to feel free in a system designed for absolute freedom seems like a burden to me though.
Quotes in a follow up comment.
From Magical Passes Book
Page 17
I endeavored from then on to come up with a more generic form of each magical pass, a form suitable to everyone. This resulted in a configuration of slightly modified forms of each one of the magical passes.
Page 22
“You can practice them any way you wish,” don Juan replied. “The magical passes enhance awareness, regardless of how you take them. The intelligent thing would be to take them as what they are: magical passes that on being practiced lead the practitioner to drop the mask of socialization.”
“The intent of thousands of sorcerers permeates these movements. Executing them, even in a casual way, makes the mind come to a halt.”
Page 24 (Example of extreme Modification)
“He gave the example of one of his cohorts, a sorcerer by the name of Silvio Manuel, whose delight and predilection was to adapt the magical passes of the sorcerers of ancient times to the steps of his modern dancing. Don Juan described Silvio Manuel as a superb acrobat and dancer who actually danced the magical passes.”
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Page 34
The ideal state of Tensegrity practitioners, in relation to the Tensegrity movements, is the same as the ideal state of a practitioner of shamanism in relation to the execution of the magical passes. Both are being led by the movements themselves into an unprecedented culmination. From there, the practitioners of Tensegrity will be able to execute, by themselves, for whatever effect they see fit, without any coaching from outside sources, any movement from the bulk of movements with which they have been saturated; they will be able to execute them with precision and speed, as they walk, or eat, or rest, or do anything, because they will have the energy to do so.
And all throughout the descriptions of the passes. Adaptation is mentioned over and over again.
How could you have missed that?
From the Carlos Compendium Notes (Castaneda Compendium - All Notes & Periodicals.txt):
He went on to affirm that the passes should fit the individual. As you practice the movements they should remain dynamic(How Fluid are you?) adjust them to your comfort, take into account how you can adapt them to your self personally. We did the release passes. Adjust and practice what you remember and feel comfort with.
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Whether we are at work, home, play or whatever, the battle never ends. Doing this has the immediate effect of transforming the events of our daily lives into the magical stage where the battle is fought. Our own private Sonora. By reminding ourselves constantly with the passes that we are all more than we seem, we are able to tie together the many facets of our lives into a cohesive, singular effort. From there we strike into infinity.
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The passes he went on to say, are designed to be practiced, as we are walking, sitting, working, or pretty much any other ordinary activity that we are typically engaged in. Pieces, fragments are able to be performed as we are walking along wherever we go.
In my Notes I found a conversation from the Student Chat from a few weeks ago:
User: Wait, am I allowed to sit down during darkroom?
Dan: Not only that, but some forms are easily modified to sit in the middle of a move, and anyone who saw that would agree, it’s ok! I’m reluctant to post which, but if you practice daily you’ll figure out which. In my case, being old some of the deep knee bends are best done only twice, and then after that I just sit for the repetitions. It’s ok to modify tensegrity for yourself, as long as you get the original down. And also, as long as you NEVER give out your modifications, or you’ll encourage a flood of fake attention seeking tensegrity.
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And I found this quote Just now in the compendium Notes:
See there are no advantages or disadvantages in the world of sorcery, “only opportunities”.
And this is the Post from over A year ago that changed my mindset.
/t/the-signs-of-a-dirty-link-to-intent/2370
If you do not put this knowledge to use, you will have just wasted a lot of time and energy. At least I know this is useful to others.
Studying this Reddit rather than the book skyrocketed my practice. I quit around the Fire Within and so far I do not feel like I am missing out, as I am engaging with the books whenever I hit a roadblock. That gave me even more time to practice and reduced ID by a lot.
As of now my personal practice gives me a lot to work on.
And my experience is proof that JUST PRACTICING will teach you much faster than treating this interlectually. Just like the seniors here keep claiming.
Because I figured all of this out with my sleeping mask on and observing my experience without having read about it.
I suppose there’s going to be differences in the level of blankout people experience.
I’ve been surmising it might have to do with who’s a dreamer type, and who’s a stalker type.
But for beginners, just FTI (for their information) so we don’t encourage that kind of thinking, stalker types are still good with dreaming. They just tend to use physical activity to move their assemblage points.
Whereas dreamers might rely more on silence and gazing.
Stalkers are NOT people who run around pranking their friends, to get attention as being knowledgeable about sorcery.
Those are pretty much just an excuse for doing nothing at all.
At least, so far in our community.
I got a few “I’m a stalker” answers when I tried to get private class students to come here and help us. They heard hundreds of private lectures, and picked up rumors on others.
So it’s a serious shame we lost all but 3.
And why they have to make excuses like “I’m a stalker” is beyond me. Why not just say, “I’m too lazy”.
It reminds me of a very handsome man I knew who attracted women like flies, so that he got used to telling the ones he wasn’t interested in, “I’m gay”.
Our private class went gay after Carlos died?
Not that they weren’t in the first place. Carlos seemed to pick up a lot of gay people.
Techno theorizes that being gay puts you outside the normal “Happily ever after” marriage myth, and so might give you a slightly better chance to actually do work, and learn sorcery.
More free time.
But as it turns out, it didn’t work out.
I just finished gazing and paid extra attention to the blanking out.
Doing head sweeps, if I pause and look at chromatic/ rainbow (crystalline) areas I’ll get a flash, I saw about five of those, no gap coming back, my head was paused mid sweep or wherever i had stopped.
Not a dream flash, but in front of me I saw a steel pot on an older style stove.
The bird IOB led me to look all the way to my right at more crystalline distortion and I had a longer dream flashes, I caught my chin going halfway down that time.
The eyeball I see was crystalline paused looked there, dream of a person that looked similar to me but younger kind-of mocking my head sweeps I pointed at him with right pinky. Came out of dream with a white surface in front of me with a 3d impression of the person.
I’ve noticed my blank out experience change since I first started.
The dreamer stalker separation applies only to women since they are the ones that have these differences in their luminous eggs , men do both.
That’s good to know!
Wish I could see the luminous eggs in that much detail.
But in fact there’s so much to see, it’s a bit confusing.
Maybe you have to learn to tune in that particular sight before it’s not lost in all the other possibilities.
Or maybe you have to be introduced.
Like with shapeshifting into a specific form. Someone has to introduce you, or you get poor results.
Poor results just means, your werejaguar might look more like a strange wolf combined with a frog.
Could be, the same applies to seeing the luminous egg.
You have to be introduced to it.
No, that isn’t the case.
“We had to know it for sure, in order to put you in your proper slot,” he added equably. “Sorcerers are either dreamers or stalkers. Some are both.”
It’s pretty clear that a sorcerer is either a dreamer or a stalker.
However, everyone needs to practice both stalking and dreaming. Men are shabby, and women can master one or the other.
She assured me that a perfect recapitulation could change a warrior as much, if not more, than the total control of the dreaming body. In this respect, dreaming and stalking led to the same end, the entering into the third attention. It was important for a warrior, however, to know and practice both. She said that for women it took different configurations in the luminous body to master one or the other. Men, on the other hand, could do both with a degree of ease, yet they could never get to the level of proficiency that the women attained in each art.
It isn’t the case that men aren’t either a stalker or a dreamer, it’s just that men are not very good.
The dreamer-stalker separation applies regardless, it’s just women are able to master dreaming or stalking (but not both).
In the first quoted part was Don Juan talking to a Florida Junior which has to do with Women and second quoted part was Florida Senior speaking to Carlos and teaching him about stalking. Florida Senior didn’t say men are not very good at it but that they could do both with ease. Since there isn’t any specifications in their configurations in their luminous eggs about it they do both and probably from a character inclination go towards one or the other.
In our case here the only reliable stalking we can practice is in Darkroom to learn to stabilise favourable ap positions we find. We don’t know what Florida seniors was teaching to her students so in order not to fall into the category of pretending doing stalking as people did all these years we can’t suddenly separate dreaming as per stalkers or dreamers the way Dan did. From the books it was obvious they were doing the same things anyway. For example Josefina was doing crazy stalking in the second ring of power and she was a dreamer. For female apprentices dreamers teach stalkers and the opposite.
Yes, that’s true. I suppose that I translated “a degree of ease” as “not very good” because I am prone to wanting to optimize everything. Since I can’t master it, I am “not very good”. It also isn’t “ease” but “a degree of ease”.
However, I still believe that Don Juan was telling the truth about the dreamers and stalkers to Florinda Junior, wasn’t the Nagual Julian considered a stalker? And yes, it might be a character inclination in the case of men, but it is still a thing.
I also agree that the whole “I’m a stalker” thing that Dan was talking about is definitely a bad thing. I’m not defending that at all.
Been meaning to tell you about this one because it was slightly on topic, IOBs and practicing away from our usual area. An IOB showed up like this on the ceiling when we were out of town in April. This happened after passes, gazing, and had lied back down on the bed. It showed up with the face that resembled ‘Sinbad’ then started flying around without the face and just a black center. I’ve only seen them show up like this once before.
Where can I watch videos of these passes?
can you give me a link?
Transferring Energy to the Assemblage Point(AP) pass, Getting the AP Loose pass, and Forcing the AP to Drop Down pass.
You mean “recapitulation” head sweeps?